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Shem’s Wife and Doomed Canaanites
« on: July 18, 2019, 05:31:29 PM »
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If I gave DC to opponent’s territory, and my opponent played Shem’s Wife (return an opponent’s evil card to hand), would he be able to target DC? The REG says that a give ability turns permanent control of the card over to my opponent, but it doesn’t say anything about owning and controlling the card. Does permanent control also mean ownership as well as control, or just control? Is “opponent’s card” ownership or control of? I played it as if it could be targeted and thus was returned to my hand (I erred on my opponent’s side).
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Re: Shem’s Wife and Doomed Canaanites
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2019, 05:39:04 PM »
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Quote from: REG
Opponent
An opponent is any other player in the game. However, the word opponent can be specific or general. Normally, when a single opponent is indicated, the player may select any other player and target them or their cards. “Opponents’”or “each opponent” refers to all other players in the game.

During the Battle Phase, however, the specific “opponent”, “your opponent’”, or “opponent’s” means the other player engaging you in battle. The general “an opponent”, “any opponent”, or “one opponent” can still be selected by the player.

Several cards in Redemption® refer to “opponent’s cards” (e.g., opponent’s Heroes). For a card to be considered an “opponent’s card”, that player must be the owner of the card as well as have control of the card. An “opponent’s” ability is an ability on an “opponent’s” card.

Owner
When a reference is made to the owner of a card, it means the player from whose deck or Reserve the card originated. Changing control of a card does not change the ownership of that card.

You can't change ownership, and a card is only a "player's" if they both own and control it. So Shem's Wife shouldn't have been able to target DC.

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Re: Shem’s Wife and Doomed Canaanites
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2019, 05:39:16 PM »
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Opponent’s would mean that the opponent both owns and controls.

In the case of DC, they control the character but cannot own it. Permanent control just specifies that it won’t come back to you independent of other abilities, such as Ahimelek, who targets any EC.

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Re: Shem’s Wife and Doomed Canaanites
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2019, 07:17:35 PM »
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Well “opponent” is one term in the REG I didn’t check.

Thanks guys.
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