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Yes. In fact, I have heard it ruled (because of the word "may") that he could set aside yours and not his, even if he did have a hero in territory.

Hey,

Yes. In fact, I have heard it ruled (because of the word "may") that he could set aside yours and not his, even if he did have a hero in territory.

That was the initial impression by many, but the PTB have discussed it and come to the conclusion that the shame lost soul has one ability, not one ability per player.  As a result the "may" allows you to choose to do all of the ability or none of the ability, but you cannot choose to set-aside fewer than the specified number of heroes (just like you cannot choose to discard two characters with Haman's Plot when there is a third character that is a valid target).

This recognition that "may" gives you an all or nothing choice and not a as-many-as-you-choose choice (which technically has been the rule all along we have just done a poor job of consistently implementing it) also means that when banding Sadducees or Pharisees you must band all that are available or band none of them.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Does this mean that the 'may' on Reach of Desperation and Words no longer allows you to choose which of the 3 abilites you're doing?

but you cannot choose to set-aside fewer than the specified number of heroes

Is the specified number "one for each territory"?

when banding Sadducees or Pharisees you must band all that are available or band none of them.

Does that go for Panic Demons and Obsidian Minions as well?

it would appear so. all or nothing.

I don't think that's what Tim is saying. I think he means that specifically the Shame LS's ability is one ability, so that's how to interpret the may on it, not necessarily all cards with "may".

Sadducees on the other hand band to all Sadducees, so the first Sadducee is doing all of the banding and the rest are just tagging along for the ride.

But you're saying that if I block with one of the 1/3 guys, I have to choose to band all Sadducees in play, or none? So I can't select just two of the small guys to block without bringing in the High Priests from my territory in too, correct?

Do you have to take them all from your hand, also?

Quote from: BubbleBoy on December 14, 2009, 08:15:23 AM

Do you have to take them all from your hand, also?

Your hand isn't in play, so I would guess not as "all Sadducees" would default (since it doesn't specify otherwise) to "all Sadducees (in play)".

In that case, you couldnt band to a character in your hand with ANY ability unless it says so, yet many banding cards can.

Isn't the default for banding different in the rules?

so does that also mean all of the 1/3 Sadducees can band in all of the larger number Sadducees who dont have banding abilities, such as High Priest Caiaphas, High Priest Ananias, and Captain of the Temple Guard, into battle at once too?  I always thought "all" on the Sadducees was referring to the ability to band to all kinds of Sadducees, not just the 1/3 Sadducees that have Sadducee in the title.

Any chance we can get an official ruling on the banding issue?

Hey,

I would say that you have to band all Sadducees/Pharisees in play, due to the "all", but then you have the option to band any additional ones from your hand after that. That is what I'm understanding from this discussion.

This is correct.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

any means any and all means all. So if it says all, you band all, the little sadducees and the big ones too. lol