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Only Enhancements go to the set-aside area with the character(s) they target.  The Shame LS would not be set aside.  The same applies to Haman (promo).

It seems more confusing to me to have a Lost Soul in set-aside when no other Lost Soul ever goes to set-aside.

no its jsut when set-aside is done by some things what causes the set-aside follows it and sometimes it doesn't and I would like to know the reasoning behind it.  Basically why do set-aside enhancements follow to set-aside.  Freedom doesn't follow the character it removes from the game, captures don't follow a character to LoB, so why do set-asides follow?

I'm not really sure the reasoning... I think it's just that if ls or characters followed they'd be broken.

Hey,

wouldn't it be easier if all set-asides either went with the characters they sent aside or none of them did?  It seems unecessarly confusing to have enhancements do one thing and characters/LS do another for no reason

This was discussed when we were playtesting RoA which introduced the first two non-enhancements that set cards aside (the Shame Lost Soul and High Priests Maid).  Set aside enhancements going to the set-area had been the rule for 10+ years, is a helpful visual aid, and wasn't causing any problems.  We didn't want to change that rule.  But at the same time setting aside an evil character or Lost Soul with the cards it set aside didn't sit well with us (particularly when you consider the rule that the set aside card - i.e. the shame lost soul - is discarded when the heroes return).  So we decided to do what we did with healing abilities and have the ability function differently when it appears on a non-enhancement than when it appears on an enhancement.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Shame LS=when you draw this card, you may set aside a Hero from each territory for two turns

When one draws this lost soul does the "you may" mean that you don't have to set aside a hero from each territory; you can pick and choose which territory's to set aside a hero from?

No. It's all or nothing. You may set aside one from each territory or you may not set aside any.

What if there isn't one from each territory? None?

Correct. You just can't pick and choose which territories to set aside from. Every territory that has a hero would be targeted if you chose to use the ability.

That's a rule change from the last ruling. The official ruling (unless it has been changed) is that you may from territory A, you may from territory B, you may from territory C, etc. I believe the rationale was to keep it consistent with the way "may" functions on most other cards.

No, that's consistent with the last ruling, it's a change from the last ruling you were aware of. Each ability on a may card can be done, but if an ability is done, then all of it has to be done. So if I play Reach, I may ItB, may d3, may play next, since those are three separate abilities. However, I may not d1 or 2 if my deck has more than 2 cards in it.

Because it says you may D3, not that you may draw each of the top three cards. Shame LS says you may (do something) from each. It does not say you may (do something) from all.

Each = all

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I remember the thread because I posed the same Reach argurment you did. Here it is here: http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=18934.0

Haha, I totally forgot it was my thread

Yeah, SirNobody posted with finality that the ruling is all or nothing.

Just to go back to the original question, is everyone agreed that ruling is "as much as possible" or nothing?