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What if he was exchanged into KOTW?
You can't protect from being negated.
QuoteYou can't protect from being negated.Why can't I negate AoCP then?
CBP, CBI, and CBN are specifically designed protections that stop prevents, interrupts, and negates. No other protection ability stops negates.
What were you trying to say then?
The phrase, "cannot be" is a protect. Lydia is protected from capture because of her ability which says, "cannot be captured." AoCP cannot be negated because it protects from negation.
Cannot beThis is a protect ability. Cannot be taken prisoner, discarded, removed from the game, captured, or converted limits or protects the potential targets of the ability, just as ignore or immune or protect limits or protects the potential targets of the ability. For example, Elizabeth Elisabeths special ability, “cannot be taken prisoner,” could be understood as “immune to capture.” “Cannot be” does not “prevent” or “negate” anything. It only limits the potential targets of a special ability. An Evil Character blocking Elizabeth Elisabeth could still use Net to capture a Hero other than Elizabeth Elisabeth. Note: If the special ability of a card includes the words “cannot” or “may not” WITHOUT the word “be”, then this is a type of prevent. For instance, if a card states that Heroes may not band, this is not a protect, but a prevent because of the lack of the word” be”. Heroes would be PREVENTED from banding.
When you click on the link that is "cannot be" on that REG page you get the following:QuoteCannot beThis is a protect ability. Cannot be taken prisoner, discarded, removed from the game, captured, or converted limits or protects the potential targets of the ability, just as ignore or immune or protect limits or protects the potential targets of the ability. For example, Elizabeth Elisabeths special ability, “cannot be taken prisoner,” could be understood as “immune to capture.” “Cannot be” does not “prevent” or “negate” anything. It only limits the potential targets of a special ability. An Evil Character blocking Elizabeth Elisabeth could still use Net to capture a Hero other than Elizabeth Elisabeth. Note: If the special ability of a card includes the words “cannot” or “may not” WITHOUT the word “be”, then this is a type of prevent. For instance, if a card states that Heroes may not band, this is not a protect, but a prevent because of the lack of the word” be”. Heroes would be PREVENTED from banding.
In regards to Lydia, using older cards (that have a newer version(s) printed) as evidence on a wording argument isn't the smartest thing to be doing
It only refers to card-affecting abilities (capture, discard, band, etc.), not ability-affecting abilities (interrupt, prevent, and negate).
QuoteIn regards to Lydia, using older cards (that have a newer version(s) printed) as evidence on a wording argument isn't the smartest thing to be doingThe fact that the special ability was updated to reflect that it is a protect ability only adds to my argument.
QuoteIt only refers to card-affecting abilities (capture, discard, band, etc.), not ability-affecting abilities (interrupt, prevent, and negate).Sign of the Rainbow doesn't affect the last Evil Enhancement?
that doesn't necessarily mean "CBI/P/N" are.
what difference does it make if cbn/i/p is a protect or not?
Quotethat doesn't necessarily mean "CBI/P/N" are.Actually, it does. The quote above clearly states when referring to cannot be, "This is a protect ability." It doesn't matter what you fill in after the "cannot be." Whatever you finish the sentence with is what is being protected from. Whether it be capture or negation, it is protecting from something.
The phrases “cannot be” and “may not be” and “prevented from being” mean the same as “protected from.” (Note: “may not be” indicates a protect ability when it appears as its own phrase but not when it appears as part of a longer phrase such as “may not be blocked by.” “Cannot be negated,” “cannot be prevented,” and “cannot be interrupted” are similar to protect abilities but are not protect abilities. They each have their own special ability type defined elsewhere in this document.)