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michael/michaelssword

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Assyria's tribute
« on: January 23, 2009, 07:28:57 PM »
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Is it d/ced in 2 turns or 2 uses?

I say 2 turns

ERRATA:Assyria's Tribute
Type: Artifact • Brigade: • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: While you are blocking with an Assyrian, negate all special abilities on Enhancements and Heroes. Cannot be negated during the battle phase. May be used twice per game. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Kings 17:3 • Availability: Faith of Fathers (Set 7)

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 07:47:23 PM »
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The "While you are blocking" part would seem to indicate that the card's "use" would end after the Battle Phase, if that is what you are asking.
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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 08:14:35 PM »
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no I'm asking if the Artifact is discarded after 2 turns or 2 uses

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 08:16:00 PM »
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A "use" happens when you activate the card, with some notable exceptions (IaJ), so it's discarded after two turns of being up.
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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 10:01:40 PM »
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While you are blocking with an Assyrian, negate all special abilities on Enhancements and Heroes. Cannot be negated during the battle phase. May be used twice per game.
Doesn't that mean that the ability doesn't take effect until you block with an Assyrian?
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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 10:08:17 PM »
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The first part of the special ability has nothing to do with the last sentence.  The "May be used twice per game" sentence is what is important to note on this card.  An artifact is considered "used" if it is activated.  Therefore, simply activating it constitutes a use.  If your opponent does not attack you or you block an attack with an evil character that is not an Assyrian while Assyria's Tribute is active, that does not matter.  The first part of the special ability is conditional and only occurs if that condition is met.  The second sentence is not conditional and happens independently of the first ability.

This is why many players refer to this card as a "one-sided Burial Shroud."  Many players will choose not to attack with Tribute active, but the holder of the artifact may still make a rescue attempt.

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 10:15:42 PM »
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I guess that makes sense...but this means people have been cheating me for a long time. :P
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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 10:16:44 PM »
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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 10:33:17 PM »
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I guess that makes sense...but this means people have been cheating me for a long time. :P

Carcasses is also the same way.  I wouldn't automatically conclude they were cheating you.  This is one of those tricky cards that players don't always understand.

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2009, 09:31:18 AM »
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I didn't necessarily mean that they were intentionally cheating; it's just that I've lost so many opportunities to attack - and thus also a few games - because of a single misplayed card. ::)
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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2009, 01:58:38 PM »
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Doesn't the "may" in "may be used twice per game" suggest that a play can choose weather or not the use the ability?  Wouldn't that mean that a player can choose not to use it if he isn't attacked that turn?  And how does something like Thirty Pieces of Silver work then?  It says "may be used twice" as well.  And I always understood TPS as you had the choice as to weather use it or not.  You get to choose weather you want to discard a hero was in battle or not and if there was no battle, there was no discard, it isn't used, right?  Isn't this the same idea?



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Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Regardless of battle outcome Hero is discarded. "David's Harp" has no effect. May be used twice. • Play As: Regardless of battle outcome, discard one Hero in play at the end of battle that you blocked. Negate David’s Harp. May be used once per battle and twice per game.

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2009, 02:00:13 PM »
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I"m pretty sure that TPoS activates every RA.  It isn't a choice I believe.

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2009, 02:04:27 PM »
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But why would the word "may" be in the SA if it wasn't to give the user an option as to weather or not to use it?  Why doesn't it just say "is only used twice"?

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2009, 02:07:25 PM »
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I"m pretty sure that TPoS activates every RA.  It isn't a choice I believe.
I think I understand Scottie's point. If TPoS activates only during a RA, why not the same for AT?
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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2009, 02:08:56 PM »
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I"m pretty sure that TPoS activates every RA.  It isn't a choice I believe.
I think I understand Scottie's point. If TPoS activates only during a RA, why not the same for AT?

 +1  Even if you don't get to choose weather or not it is used after a RA, it still doesn't activate if there is no RA at all.

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2009, 02:09:53 PM »
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But why would the word "may" be in the SA if it wasn't to give the user an option as to weather or not to use it?  Why doesn't it just say "is only used twice"?

because it can't say "must be used twice".  It may be used never, once, or twice. :)  "may be used twice" to me means how many times you can use it, now when you can use it.

However, I see both sides.  I"m not 100% myself.

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2009, 04:05:38 PM »
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Special abilities that say "you may discard" give you the option of discarding. SA that say "Discard a .." do not give you the option. The "may" must be part of the ability being used. In the case of "May be used twice," the "may" is a separate sentence and is therefore not optional. These kind of sentences are only used to clarify a limit to uses.

I would think that modern limited-use cards are likely to say "Limit 2 uses" rather than "May be used twice."
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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2009, 07:38:00 PM »
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Hey,

because it can't say "must be used twice".  It may be used never, once, or twice. :)  "may be used twice" to me means how many times you can use it, now when you can use it.

This is exactly right.

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2009, 11:16:25 PM »
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you satisfy the may portion by using/activating the artifact. by doing so, you are conveying to your opponent that you are using it.

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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2009, 11:37:22 AM »
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Assyria's Tribute
Type: Artifact • Brigade: • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: While you are blocking with an Assyrian, negate all special abilities on Enhancements and Heroes. Cannot be negated during the battle phase. May be used twice per game. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Kings 17:3 • Availability: Faith of Fathers (Set 7)

Currently, I cannot locate the thread where this was discussed and I hope it wasn't lost in the purge, but it may have been. This is how Assyria's Tribute was ruled to be used - if you activate Assyria's Tribute, that is counted as a use.
I remember this because at the time FoOF was new and I was using an Assyrian Defense for late night games at the Nevada State Tournament and could not understand why if I did not with an Assyrian when it was activated it still counted as a use. To me the first sentence of the SA says it all, but it was said that "if by activating Assyria's Tribute causes your opponent to choose not to RA, that is counted as a use."  An Errata was said to be forthcoming, but I haven't seen it yet.
Unfortunately, I don't have any threads to back this up other than my word.  :-[   :(


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Re: Assyria's tribute
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2009, 09:36:53 PM »
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...and could not understand why if I did not with an Assyrian when it was activated it still counted as a use.

 +1  If the SA says, 'While you are blocking with an Assyrian' there should be no use if there is no block w/ an Assyrian.

I would also like to see an Errata on these either way....

 


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