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Chamber o' Angels Q
« on: March 24, 2015, 10:43:33 AM »
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My opponent has Chamber o' Angels and attacks with an angel. I block with Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Is the angel sent to Chamber immediately or can they discard from their hand or territory?

Chamber:
"Set this fortress aside. If holder’s angel is being discarded, place it here instead. After two turns, return Hero to the top of your draw pile."

Antiochus IV Epiphanes
"If another Greek Evil Character is in play, discard a Hero. Opponent may discard a card of matching brigade from hand or territory instead. Cannot be negated."
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Re: Chamber o' Angels Q
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2015, 10:45:09 AM »
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They can discard a card of their choice first, I'm pretty sure. Because Antiochus' ability is an instead.
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Re: Chamber o' Angels Q
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2015, 10:52:06 AM »
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Since Chamber of Angels was in play first, I believe its instead ability takes precedence.

This is based on the (rather heated) Tartaros vs Wandering Spirit ruling from the Knoxville Nationals.

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Re: Chamber o' Angels Q
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2015, 11:48:50 AM »
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While you are correct that Chamber will take precedence generally due to the ruling you gave, Antiochus must first complete before it triggers, when we get down to a really-technical what-activates-when, because Chamber is a triggered ability.  Thus, the holder of the angel may use the instead on Antiochus, which then means that the discard never took place and Chamber never triggers as a result.

You may discard instead before it goes to Chamber.

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Re: Chamber o' Angels Q
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2015, 12:30:34 PM »
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Better yet, discard an angel from hand for a double instead.
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Re: Chamber o' Angels Q
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2015, 12:41:09 PM »
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Better yet, discard an angel from hand for a double instead.

And if you don't have one in hand, discard one from territory.
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Re: Chamber o' Angels Q
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2015, 12:51:56 PM »
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While you are correct that Chamber will take precedence generally due to the ruling you gave, Antiochus must first complete before it triggers, when we get down to a really-technical what-activates-when, because Chamber is a triggered ability.  Thus, the holder of the angel may use the instead on Antiochus, which then means that the discard never took place and Chamber never triggers as a result.

You may discard instead before it goes to Chamber.
What is the difference between the Antiochus and Wandering Spirit instead abilities that has Antiochus take precedence over Chamber but Tartaros take precedence over Wandering Spirit? Is it that Wandering Spirit's ability is also a trigegred one?

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Re: Chamber o' Angels Q
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2015, 01:18:09 PM »
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What is the difference between the Antiochus and Wandering Spirit instead abilities that has Antiochus take precedence over Chamber but Tartaros take precedence over Wandering Spirit? Is it that Wandering Spirit's ability is also a trigegred one?

Both Tartaros and Wandering Spirit are triggered abilities, they are activating at the same time.  That is why Tartaros wins, because it was active first.

In this case, you have an ability that is still completing, that is Antiochus, versus a triggered ability.  The triggered ability must wait for Antiochus to complete before it can go off.  There is not the same situation as two different triggered abilities trying to activate at the same time.

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Re: Chamber o' Angels Q
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2015, 02:03:28 PM »
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Got it. Thanks.

 


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