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Searching Discard pile
« on: October 16, 2010, 05:23:53 PM »
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At any time in a game, can you look through your discard pile to see what you have in there?  I often forget what has been played discarded, etc.  Is there a rule against it?
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2010, 05:34:56 PM »
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At any time in a game, can you look through your discard pile to see what you have in there?  I often forget what has been played discarded, etc.  Is there a rule against it?

Not technically. But most people won't begrudge you for doing so, especially in online play. Otherwise, you can only do so when a card says you can.
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2010, 06:14:16 PM »
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At any time in a game, can you look through your discard pile to see what you have in there?  I often forget what has been played discarded, etc.  Is there a rule against it?

Not technically. But most people won't begrudge you for doing so, especially in online play. Otherwise, you can only do so when a card says you can.

Has there ever been any discussion on allowing you to view your discard?

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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2010, 06:16:00 PM »
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At any time in a game, can you look through your discard pile to see what you have in there?  I often forget what has been played discarded, etc.  Is there a rule against it?

Not technically. But most people won't begrudge you for doing so, especially in online play. Otherwise, you can only do so when a card says you can.

Has there ever been any discussion on allowing you to view your discard?

If I recall, several. There have also been discussions on keeping notes, which is pretty much as beneficial if not more than searching discard pile. I don't have a handy link in front of me though. someone else will hafta help ya there :)
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2010, 09:07:42 PM »
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There is no official rule about taking notes, but it's frowned upon and if you try to do it against me in a tournament I'll call a Judge over and he'll likely tell you you can't.

There is a rule about looking through Discard piles, and it's that your not allowed to unless a SA lets you.
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 10:55:30 PM »
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Let me rephrase that.

Has there been any discussion on removing the rule that states you cannot look at your discard pile?

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2010, 10:57:07 PM »
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I figured that you couldn't but I get asked this question a lot at my playgroup and I wanted to verify that no was the right answer.
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2010, 11:48:18 PM »
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Let me rephrase that.

Has there been any discussion on removing the rule that states you cannot look at your discard pile?
No.
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2010, 12:09:54 AM »
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Let me rephrase that.

Has there been any discussion on removing the rule that states you cannot look at your discard pile?
No.

I thought there had been.... hmm, i might be mistaken
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2010, 11:55:52 PM »
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Let me rephrase that.

Has there been any discussion on removing the rule that states you cannot look at your discard pile?
It's not really a rule..... more like a guideline
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 09:08:49 AM »
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At any time in a game, can you look through your discard pile to see what you have in there?  I often forget what has been played discarded, etc.  Is there a rule against it?

Not technically. But most people won't begrudge you for doing so, especially in online play. Otherwise, you can only do so when a card says you can.

I don't really mind, I would prefer knowing what I have in the d/c before I play a card instead of being surprised by something like not having a Hero to return, etc. I think it's a rather dumb rule that you can't look through your d/c unless a card says so.
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2010, 11:16:13 AM »
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I don't really mind, I would prefer knowing what I have in the d/c before I play a card instead of being surprised by something like not having a Hero to return, etc. I think it's a rather dumb rule that you can't look through your d/c unless a card says so.

Well, one of the prerequisites for playing Redemption at a competitive level is an above-average intelligence. Remembering what has been discarded is part of the game. Of course, you can always use Golgotha as a convenient way to look through your discard pile during any battle to refresh your memory, even if you don't intend to make your guys CBIg.
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2010, 11:27:53 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2010, 11:41:05 AM »
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Is there a rule that you have to have your discard pile in a neat pile stacked on top of each other?  Just make it a big fan of cards and you're golden, haha.

Also, intelligence doesn't equal memory. 

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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2010, 11:42:44 AM »
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Also, intelligence doesn't equal memory. 

No, but if you are intelligent, you will understand the advantage of needing to remember things, and you will invent ways to help yourself do so.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2010, 12:31:03 PM »
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You just killed my dream of becoming a Redemption Master, beings I would be able to count my IQ without taking my shoes off if I could count.

I remember my game against Gabe at NC Regionals.... via The Bronze Laver and Susana he memorized the bottom of his deck. Then like over 9000 turns later he was able to use Gates of Hell on ~10 cards, and put them in the correct spot without looking at them. I'd never be able to do that. I can barely remember my name.

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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2010, 12:48:08 PM »
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Actually, I'm pretty sure it is a rule and not a guideline. I just forget which document it's in.
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2010, 12:50:50 PM »
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Also, intelligence doesn't equal memory. 

No, but if you are intelligent, you will understand the advantage of needing to remember things, and you will invent ways to help yourself do so.

I see the great advantage of remembering, especially in a card game.  But now I see that all you have to do is look over your discard pile and grab an EE and place it on Golgotha during a battle.  So now you basically get unlimited looks at the discard pile as long as you have a Golgotha out.

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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2010, 12:52:01 PM »
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At your own, yes. It's much easier to remember what you have played.
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2010, 05:41:23 PM »
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My biggest problem with that ruling is what if you are using a King Nadab or King Amon like ability.  If you don't remember whether or not King Jeroboam I or (King) Manessah is in your discard pile does that mean you can't search your discard pile, or if you think you have the correct character in your discard pile then search and while looking for the enhancement you find out he's not in there, did you just break the rule?

And since your opponent can't look through your discard pile and isn't expected to remember does your opponent just have to trust you?

I think not having a rule against looking through discard pile would be good for the game (and its not that much of a change either)
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2010, 05:51:31 PM »
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If you block with King Amon, I would rule that you are allowed (perhaps even required) to search your discard pile for King Manasseh to prove to your opponent that he is there. I don't think you really broke any rules if you search for him and he is not there. If you block with Amon thinking Manasseh is there, and it turns out that he is not, then that's a mistake on your part for not remembering.
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2010, 11:49:32 PM »
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If that is the case then I really don't care whether I can look at it randomly or not
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Re: Searching Discard pile
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2010, 10:02:45 AM »
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At your own, yes. It's much easier to remember what you have played.

Yes, but sometimes you need to know what's in your d/c pile, like if you're getting ready to use Raising of the Saints or Gleaning the Fields or something.
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