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Can I block with Scribe from hand while I have a redeemed soul, no ECs in territory, and my opponent is using John to RA with TGT out?

Scribe (Di)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black/Gray • Ability: 2 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Search discard pile for an O.T. Enhancement and place it beneath deck. Negate ignore abilities. May band to a Pharisee or Sadducee. • Identifiers: Generic NT Male Human • Verse: Luke 20:46 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

The Garden Tomb (RA)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: If opponent has a redeemed Lost Soul, then Salome, Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Peter, John, and Mary the mother of James ignore all evil brigades that do not have at least two Characters in play. • Identifiers: Empty! • Verse: Mark 16:1 • Availability: Rock of Ages booster packs (None)

No, Scribe's ability only activates in battle, with TGT out he can't even enter battle (same reason KoT can't block widow)

Enhancement abilities only activate in battle (assuming they're not heal/TC/set-aside) yet I can play a negate AFTER I'm already technically captured/removed from the game/converted/whatever and negate the ability. Why is Scribe any different?

Quote from: JSB23 on September 07, 2010, 05:24:44 PM

No, Scribe's ability only activates in battle, with TGT out he can't even enter battle (same reason KoT can't block widow)

Enhancement abilities only activate in battle (assuming they're not heal/TC/set-aside) yet I can play a negate AFTER I'm already technically captured/removed from the game/converted/whatever and negate the ability. Why is Scribe any different?

As JSB said, you're simply not allowed to enter. If you can't enter, you cant negate the ability.

Quote from: JSB23 on September 07, 2010, 05:45:29 PM

Because when you're ignored you can't enter battle

And when you're captured you leave battle. But that's what negates are for, they interrupt and undo things.

Read Lambo's post

Quote from: browarod on September 07, 2010, 05:51:02 PM

Quote from: JSB23 on September 07, 2010, 05:45:29 PM

Because when you're ignored you can't enter battle

And when you're captured you leave battle. But that's what negates are for, they interrupt and undo things.

Under your logic, if I have no ECs in my hand, and my opponent destroys my territory, I should be able to play a negate on a character outside of battle while blocking.

I never said that. Would adding "in battle" to the end of my statement above clear things up? I never claimed you could just willy nilly throw things out.

My point is, if you're unable to legally activate a negate, then you cant stop an ability.

Both preblock ignore and discard stop you from legally negating my abilities.

*EDIT*

Another example:

Say there was an enhancement I played that said "Opponent may not play cards from hand this battle," ... you wouldn't be able to negate it, because you'd have to play a negate first, which is prohibited.

 "Waaaaah, I'm ignoring you, go awayz!!!11!!!!1!!1" is exactly the reason scribe works the way he does, he can't enter battle so he can't negate TGT.

We clearly need an elder.

We clearly need an elder.

not really...

brorarod you shouldn't ask questions if you are going to argue that someones wrong and no one is siding with you. If someone posted evidence that they were wrong with REG stuff, which is impossible because they are right, then you could agree but arguing with 2 on 1 when you asked the question. And by the way it's now 3 on 1.

KoalaKing, you shouldn't post if you aren't going to contribute anything to the discussion. If you'll read my posts, I AGREED with the ruling they posted, now I'm simply wondering WHY that is the answer rather than a character negate working like every other negate works.

CBN means nothing if you're being physically stopped from playing a card. See: ET AOCP vs Darius's Decree.

I don't know what that example has to do with anything (especially since the CBN comment was just to prevent people from posting "UNLESS IT'S CBN!! ZOMGosh" which wouldn't contribute to anything).

Lambo and JSB are correct.  If you're ignored you cannot enter battle to activate your special ability.  If your ability can't activate then it doesn't matter how great it might be, it won't do anything.

So negate doesn't mean anything anymore then? I just don't understand why one negate is different than another.

Quote from: browarod on September 07, 2010, 06:48:34 PM

So negate doesn't mean anything anymore then? I just don't understand why one negate is different than another.

Negate doesn't mean anything if you cannot activate the negate ability.  There are different rules for the game based on different card types and abilities.  Enhancements are treated differently than characters.  Some people have mentioned that ignored characters cannot enter battle.  Does that make sense to you?

It makes sense in general, I just don't see why the negate can't activate as the EC would enter battle to kind of punch a hole in the preblock ignore shield and allow Scribe to block since other negates punch holes through capture or discard shields to undo or cancel those. Just seems like TGT is powerful enough as it is, I was kinda hoping this could be used as a possible defense (lol) against it.

Quote from: browarod on September 07, 2010, 07:00:24 PM

Quote from: BrianGabe on September 07, 2010, 06:52:06 PM

Quote from: browarod on September 07, 2010, 06:48:34 PM

So negate doesn't mean anything anymore then? I just don't understand why one negate is different than another.

Negate doesn't mean anything if you cannot activate the negate ability.  There are different rules for the game based on different card types and abilities.  Enhancements are treated differently than characters.  Some people have mentioned that ignored characters cannot enter battle.  Does that make sense to you?

It makes sense in general, I just don't see why the negate can't activate as the EC would enter battle to kind of punch a hole in the preblock ignore shield and allow Scribe to block since other negates punch holes through capture or discard shields to undo or cancel those. Just seems like TGT is powerful enough as it is, I was kinda hoping this could be used as a possible defense (lol) against it.

I think it was ProfAlstad (not sure) that told me:

If you're ignored BEFORE battle, you cannot enter. If you are ignored DURING battle, you have infinite initiative.

Tis oh so true...

That's how I lost almost all my Heroes in one battle. My opponent had infinite initiative from Spiritual Warfare, so he discarded/captured the 4 Heroes in my territory. I have exactly 5 in my Hero-lite deck, including Paul (who was in battle).

This is one of the reasons why I don't use ignore on offense sometimes. But other times I do it for insurance even though it can cost me huge. I love preblock but not enhancements that ignore.