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Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« on: December 23, 2009, 10:47:34 PM »
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i make a rescue attempt against my opponent with a hero. my opponent blocks with the rabsaris, and plays the rabsaris attacks to discard my hero in battle. am i then allowed to play grapes of wrath to discard the rabsaris, and potentially make another rescue attempt? additionally, would this also work if my opponent played any other card that discarded/removed my hero, such as christian martyr or unholy writ?

The Rabsaris
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: May band to an Assyrian, except a King. Cannot be negated if an Assyrian King is in play. • Attributes: Assyrian Commander • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Commander (Assyria) • Verse: II Kings 18:17 • Availability: Rock of Ages (Set 11)

The Rabsaris Attacks
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: 5 / 0 • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard a Hero in battle or set-aside area. Opponent may discard the top five cards of deck instead. Place Lost Souls in play instead. Cannot be negated if used by The Rabsaris. • Attributes: Depicts a Weapon • Identifiers: OT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: II Kings 18:17 • Availability: Rock of Ages (Set 11)

Grapes of Wrath
Type: Lamb • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard an evil card in battle to shuffle all remaining characters in battle into owners’ decks. If the current rescuer doesn't have the most Redeemed Souls, he may begin a new battle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Revelation 19:15 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs ()
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2009, 10:49:30 PM »
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Yes. I believe that is the primary reason Grapes was created.
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2009, 10:58:47 PM »
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you would still get discarded though...
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2009, 11:06:10 PM »
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Correct.  Grapes never stops the discard from happening.
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2009, 11:12:40 PM »
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So since Warrior's Spear "works" on Spy when he withdraws, could I play Grapes after I withdraw Spy?
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 11:15:05 PM »
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Quote from: sk on December 23, 2009, 11:06:10 PM
Correct.  Grapes never stops the discard from happening.

I don't think he was implying that. I read his question as being the "good" equivalent to playing Unknown Nation after AoCp - the fact that you just lost your characters in battle does not mean that the battle is over. In Grapes' case, your opponent may have won the battle, but he won't win the war!  :o
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 11:17:32 PM »
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Quote from: STAMP on December 23, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
So since Warrior's Spear "works" on Spy when he withdraws, could I play Grapes after I withdraw Spy?

There would have to be an evil card in battle for Grapes to work. If you withdraw Spy, the blocker never enters battle.
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2009, 12:22:39 AM »
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wait, I don't think it works that way (or at least, it shouldn't work that way). I believe you're attacked, you're allowed to play a dominant, but when you're attacking, you don't get that opportunity.
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2009, 12:40:28 AM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 24, 2009, 12:22:39 AM
wait, I don't think it works that way (or at least, it shouldn't work that way). I believe you're attacked, you're allowed to play a dominant, but when you're attacking, you don't get that opportunity.
The way I understand it is: When attacking you have to ask to play first card, if you are losing, then you can play a dominant or whatever.   
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2009, 08:54:42 AM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 24, 2009, 12:22:39 AM
wait, I don't think it works that way (or at least, it shouldn't work that way). I believe you're attacked, you're allowed to play a dominant, but when you're attacking, you don't get that opportunity.

I don't understand. As long as a character is in battle, you should be allowed to play a dominant.

i.e. You AotL my EC, I can still CM your hero, or vice versa.
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2009, 09:44:06 AM »
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You can play a dominant at ANY time, as long as the conditions on the card are met.
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2009, 10:28:26 AM »
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Hey,

Quote from: Master KChief on December 23, 2009, 10:47:34 PM
i make a rescue attempt against my opponent with a hero. my opponent blocks with the rabsaris, and plays the rabsaris attacks to discard my hero in battle. am i then allowed to play grapes of wrath to discard the rabsaris, and potentially make another rescue attempt? additionally, would this also work if my opponent played any other card that discarded/removed my hero, such as christian martyr or unholy writ?

Yes.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2009, 11:43:01 AM »
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Quote from: YourMathTeacher on December 23, 2009, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: STAMP on December 23, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
So since Warrior's Spear "works" on Spy when he withdraws, could I play Grapes after I withdraw Spy?

There would have to be an evil card in battle for Grapes to work. If you withdraw Spy, the blocker never enters battle.

Uhh...Yeah, I knew that.  I was just testing you!   ;)

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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2009, 01:06:33 PM »
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Quote from: STAMP on December 24, 2009, 11:43:01 AM
Uhh...Yeah, I knew that.  I was just testing you!   ;)

It's that sort of putting others ahead of yourself that is going to get you in the Hall of Fame, STAMP!

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That and the fact that you chose to retire from the game at an opportune moment.  ;)
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2009, 01:33:42 PM »
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Quote from: EmJayBee83 on December 24, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
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That and the fact that you chose to retire from the game at an opportune moment.  ;)

"Opportune" is an understatement!  I don't really call it retirement, though.  It's more of a new beginning.   :laugh:
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2009, 01:52:27 PM »
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Quote from: STAMP on December 24, 2009, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: EmJayBee83 on December 24, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
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That and the fact that you chose to retire from the game at an opportune moment.  ;)

"Opportune" is an understatement!  I don't really call it retirement, though.  It's more of a new beginning.   :laugh:

Did you really just give you retirement a "Play-As?"
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2009, 02:05:07 PM »
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More of a second "errata" I think...
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Re: Grapes of Wrath vs Discard
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2009, 03:15:56 PM »
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Quote from: STAMP on December 24, 2009, 01:33:42 PM
"Opportune" is an understatement!  I don't really call it retirement, though.  It's more of a new beginning.   :laugh:

You now officially have to remove yourself from the game anyway.  ;)
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