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Same Art + Same Title = same card.  This is true for ALL characters and enhancements.  See King of Tyrus (Gold vs. Orange).  See also Gibeonite Trickery (brown vs. black).

Same Title + Same Brigade = same card.  This is true for enhancements and UNIQUE characters.  See Gabriel (Warriors vs Disciples).  See also Ointment (Warriors? vs. Deck C?)

How do these rules apply when the cards don't have the same deck building limits?

For example:
Covenant with Death
- Brown/Pale Green Curse (limit 2 in T2) vs. Crimson Enhancement (limit 4 in T2)
(Or are they considered different cards to begin with, since the new one's a curse, not an enhancement?)

Red Dragon, Beast from the Earth, Beast from the Sea, Goliath
- no-SA versions (limit 3 in T1) vs. SA versions (1 per 50 in T1)

I don't know that curses are "enhancements", so idk if it falls under the rules quoted above. You can't search for a curse as an enhancement in deck so I don't see why they'd be treated as such for deck-building.

If I were ruling, I'd say you could have 2 of the curse and 4 of the enhancement, but INE.

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on August 30, 2011, 08:57:27 PM

Red Dragon, Beast from the Earth, Beast from the Sea, Goliath
- no-SA versions (limit 3 in T1) vs. SA versions (1 per 50 in T1)

This one I know, since I remember seeing it ruled back in the Warriors days.

You can have 1 with special ability and 2 without.  That way it satisfies both rules.

That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if that had changed.

Since the art and card title are the same, I'd say that the cards are the same.

Is that because the Curse is still part enhancement, or does the rule apply to all cards now?  Then you get similar situations with Iron Pan (enhancement/artifact) and Herod's Temple (site/fort).

But since the card type is different, I am not sure.

It seems like that would be enough to make them different cards (how can they be the same card if they're not the same type?).

Are The Goat with Horn (enhancement & character) or The Ram with Two Horns (enhancement & character) the same card?

If both the good and evil King Saul had the same picture, would they be the same card?

Does this apply at all to play, or just deckbuilding? That is, can I play Iron Pan (enhancement) while I have Iron Pan (artifact) active? Can I play CwD (enhancement) while I have CwD (curse) active? Can I have both Herod's Temple (Fort) and Herod's Temple (Site) in play? Can I play Goat with Horn on The Goat with Horn?

Can I play Goat with Horn on The Goat with Horn?

Of course you can play it. Even though it is the same art, one is a character class, and one is an enhancement class. Because they are from different classes they are not considered to be duplicate cards.

In regards to Goat with Horn (and the other enhancements turned characters), you can indeed play the enhancement on the character (and receive name on name bonus to boot).

I don't know why you couldn't have the site and fortress HT out at the same time, but I do vaguely remember hearing a ruling similar to the one you mentioned saying you can't. I really think you should be able to, though....