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Quote from: BubbleBoy on June 01, 2010, 10:34:57 AM

I assume that "player" in that quote refers to the holder of the returning card, correct?

Correct.  If cards are being placed on/under your deck then you choose the order unless the card placing them there gives another player that choice.

Wait a second, you say correct, but then you describe an opposing example...

If I play the revealer, do I get to choose the order of the cards placed on bottom, or does my opponent?

Wait a second, you say correct, but then you describe an opposing example...

If I play the revealer, do I get to choose the order of the cards placed on bottom, or does my opponent?

Romans 3:23 (‘Seeker’)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you draw this card, each opponent must reveal the top two cards of his draw pile. Place each revealed Lost Soul in owner's Land of Bondage. Place the rest beneath owner's draw pile. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Romans 3:23 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Rare)

Your opponent chooses the order.
If you (Bubbleboy) DRAW the Revealer, I (777Godspeed) REVEAL the top 2 cards of MY deck to you and then I (777Godspeed) put them on the bottom of my deck in any order. Nothing on the card indicates that the one who DRAWS the Revealer chooses the order they are put on bottom.
REG > Instant Abilities > Fortify or Place > Special Conditions
Cards placed in a draw pile typically specify a particular location in the draw pile (e.g., bottom).  If a player must place multiple cards at the same time, that player may choose the order of the cards being placed (e.g., Feast of Trumpets and The Bronze Laver).

Godspeed,
Mike

Revealer Lost Soul - you reveal your cards and you place the cards under your deck so you choose the order.

Seeker of the Lost - your opponent reveals the cards and places the cards under your deck so your opponent chooses the order.

The Bronze Laver - you place the cards under your deck so you choose the order.

Susanna - you place the cards under your deck so you choose the order.

Correct.  If cards are being placed on/under your deck then you choose the order unless the card placing them there gives another player that choice.

I was only trying to point out that occasionally there might be a card that allows the opponent to choose the order instead of you, if they're the one doing the revealing and placing.  For example, Seeker of the Lost.  The player using Seeker does the revealing and the placing so they get to choose the order of the placed cards.

Seeker of the Lost

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Red/Gold/Blue • Ability: 4 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Reveal the top three cards of opponent's draw pile. Place all revealed Lost Souls in play. Place the rest beneath owner's draw pile. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: Generic NT Female Human • Verse: II Timothy 2:

The end result is the same but the abilities are slightly different.

Revealer says ..."each opponent must reveal" so the owner of the deck does the revealing and placing of the cards, therefore they choose the order to place the card on the bottom of their deck.

Seeker says "Reveal the top three cards..." so Seekers controller is doing the revealing and placing, therefore Seekers controller chooses the order the cards are placed on the bottom.

That's what the card says to do.   Other cards like Confusion allow you to handle your opponent's deck so it's not unheard of.

Granted this is not how I've ever seen Seeker played, but by the letter of the law that's what it says to do.

This is the first time that I have heard of the presence of the word "opponent" in an ability changing the performer of an action.

Quote from: REG > Instant Abilities > Fortify or Place > Special Conditions

Cards placed in a draw pile typically specify a particular location in the draw pile (e.g., bottom).  If a player must place multiple cards at the same time, that player may choose the order of the cards being placed (e.g., Feast of Trumpets and The Bronze Laver).

So in effect, you are saying that the placing player here is referring to the player physically placing the cards, and not the holder of the card that is causing the placing? I could see it going either way.

where does it say they are placed one at a time? in fact, 'place the rest' would seem to strongly suggest it is all done in one action.