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Unless someone comes up with something more conclusive, I don't see Saint Patrick as a prophet.  I'm hoping to be proven wrong. 

For those with fears that redemption will be including characters from the too-recent past:
First, note that St. Patrick was born between 385 and 390 AD, which is still quite early in the church history, and before there were any major divisions in the church that continue to today.
Second, I don't foresee any more characters from this era being released in 2009-2011.

We agree that Saint Patrick is documented to have had prophetic dreams.  Am I correct in understanding that the conclusive evidence you're looking for is whether or not he told anyone about the dreams before they came true?

What about John? Isn't he a prophet?

(Also, I'm assuming that priest sticks).

Considering that the authoritative source(s) used in Redemption are the Bible, and Josephus to a limited scope, another authoritative source would have to be approved by Rob in order to make a call.

Yes.

Quote from: BrianGabe on March 20, 2009, 01:49:09 PM

We agree that Saint Patrick is documented to have had prophetic dreams.  Am I correct in understanding that the conclusive evidence you're looking for is whether or not he told anyone about the dreams before they came true?

Yes.

John did tell people about the revelations he saw before they came true.  He wrote them before they came true and sent them to the early church.

I don't know what Rob will decide about whether St. Patrick is a priest.  I would have said not, because I think of Priests in the pre-crucifixion sense, but we do have Priests of Christ, so I don't know.

Copy on the priest concept. But, I'm contending that Patrick was an Apostle, just like Paul was an Apostle outside the original 12 of Christ. Patrick was sent by Christ into Ireland like a one man Marine Corps and confronted the whole pagan system and it all came crashing down! Then when Europe was burning, Ireland became the beacon of Christendom for a time. Good fruits, marks of an Apostle.

Quote from: metalpsalm on March 20, 2009, 02:25:05 PM

Copy on the priest concept. But, I'm contending that Patrick was an Apostle, just like Paul was an Apostle outside the original 12 of Christ. Patrick was sent by Christ into Ireland like a one man Marine Corps and confronted the whole pagan system and it all came crashing down! Then when Europe was burning, Ireland became the beacon of Christendom for a time. Good fruits, marks of an Apostle.

That may all be true but I'm not sure that it's relevant to Redemption.  

There are currently no cards with the identifier "Apostle" or that have an ability based on being an Apostle.

I know, but I think that's the way we should go. Who knows, maybe in the future it will matter? Mean time, I don't think he was a prophet in the strickest sence, even though I am a HUGE fan of St Patrick!

Eh, I'm not so sure about the Apostle title, though. That name ended with Paul and the twelve, and the big guys of the church for several hundred years after that were called Apostolic Fathers, and then even that title ends somewhere in the Dark Ages, depending on who you ask. Patrick could pretty conceivably be an Apostolic Father if that ever becomes a Redemption-relevant term, but I think Apostle is stretching it.

Well, I know that is a school of thought, but if you read the scriptures about the ministry gift with the thought in mind that "this is how God sets order through the church" instead of "this is how it used to be" you'll see it makes sense. At any rate, it will still function no matter what it's called.
But, hey, I'm easy. Just let me know the ruling and I'll play by it. :]

Oooh, the mean, eh? So if you smashed a bishop and an evangelist together, mixed them up, and then divided them into two equal parts, you would end up with two apostles?

awesome!  my green decks rock now!

Saint Patrick is a Prophet because his dreams foretold the future which did come true.

Everyone, say it with me.  ROB ROCKS!!!   

So, Gabe, did you have a dream before you started this thread?  

Actually this whole idea came to me in a half awake vision on my 4 a.m. drive to Minnesota for Bill's annual T2 tournament. Hey, what else was I supposed to do on the 5 hour drive. 

Woot! St. Patrick is a Prophet.     
Thanks for clearing things up for us, Rob.
ROB ROCKS!!!

Quote from: BrianGabe on March 24, 2009, 10:10:35 PM

Everyone, say it with me.  ROB ROCKS!!! 

I said it ten times fast and my wife thought I was barking like a bulldog.

Now that is funny. 


Godspeed,
Mike

Quote from: CactusRob on March 24, 2009, 09:57:51 PM

Saint Patrick is a Prophet because his dreams foretold the future which did come true.

So, Gabe, did you have a dream before you started this thread?  

Woo-hoo for Saint Patrick the prophet. Start modifying your green decks now.  

Hmmm...St Patty, Micah, Rhoda, I Am Patience...some new opportunities for my TGT Servant deck.   

He is a Priest just as every Catholic priest is a priest.

correct.