Author Topic: Saint Patrick - a prohphet? (Read 30287 times)

Gabe · « **on:** March 10, 2009, 08:56:46 AM »

Quote from: REG

Prophet
One possible role of a character (see Character’s Role and Gender) is prophet. A Prophet is any Hero or Evil Character that the Bible refers to as a prophet or who foretold the future by supernatural revelation.

The Bible is the authoratative text in Redemption. If we're going to have cards made of people who lived outside of Bible times, then, for those exceptions, we need to consider official texts written about their life as well. This is the case with Saint Patrick.

Quote from: http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=89

Patrick's captivity lasted until he was twenty, when he escaped after having a dream from God in which he was told to leave Ireland by going to the coast. There he found some sailors who took him back to Britian, where he reunited with his family.

He had another dream in which the people of Ireland were calling out to him "We beg you, holy youth, to come and walk among us once more."

Cited are two instances of supernatural revelation that most texts written on Saint Patrick agree on.

Does anyone see any reason that Saint Patrick shouldn't be considered a prophet?

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:29:01 AM »

That actually makes sense to me as well Gabe...

TheMarti · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:36:26 AM »

Yep. I agree, definitely sounds like he prophesied.

~TM

Bryon · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:37:22 AM »

Does receiving a prophetic message in a dream make one a prophet? I don't know. Does that mean Joseph, husband to Mary, was a prophet? Do you actually have to tell others what you heard in your dream to be considered a prophet? What if you tell them AFTER the prophesied event happens, "God warned me in a dream this would happen." I don't want to discount the idea. I just want to be sure what the criteria is for a prophet label.

STAMP · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:44:06 AM »

I agree with Bryon that criteria needs to be set. All true Christians receive a measure of the gift of prophecy. So does that make every saint and christian we use as heroes a prophet?

I vote that a prophet is an individual who has spoken prophecy before an event happens.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2009, 10:47:55 AM »

By that criteria, St. Pat would not be a prophet as he didn't speak the prophecy correct?

Colin Michael · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2009, 12:06:13 PM »

HE'S A PROPHET PRIEST!!!!!

HE'S N.T. (or is he?)

HT + TABLE OF SHOWBREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Colin Michael · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2009, 12:50:07 PM »

Quote from: the musicain on March 10, 2009, 12:36:02 PM

ht?

Hidden Treasures.

jtay · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2009, 12:52:45 PM »

Here's the definition of Priest from the REG:

Priest

A priest is one who is duly authorized to minister in sacred things, particularly to offer sacrifices at the altar, and who acts as mediator between men and God. Priests are in charge of sacrifice and offering at worship places, particularly the tabernacle and Temple. Other functions are blessing the people, determining the will of God, and instructing the people in the law of God. The office of priest is hereditary.

Since this office is now permanently occupied by Jesus Christ, it would not make sense to have any NT priests that are not evil characters. Especially not ones that aren't even recorded in the Bible.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2009, 01:54:26 PM »

Quote from: jtay on March 10, 2009, 12:52:45 PM

Here's the definition of Priest from the REG:

Priest

A priest is one who is duly authorized to minister in sacred things, particularly to offer sacrifices at the altar, and who acts as mediator between men and God. Priests are in charge of sacrifice and offering at worship places, particularly the tabernacle and Temple. Other functions are blessing the people, determining the will of God, and instructing the people in the law of God. The office of priest is hereditary.

Since this office is now permanently occupied by Jesus Christ, it would not make sense to have any NT priests that are not evil characters. Especially not ones that aren't even recorded in the Bible.

St. Patrick was ordained a priest by the Church (the same Church that wrote and compilied the NT), he's a preist. Also, I believe the Jesus is considered the "High Priest".

Gabe · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2009, 02:04:30 PM »

Saint Patrick does not meet the requirements for Redemption's definition of a priest (see jtay's post above for the quoted definition).

Colin Michael · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2009, 02:09:43 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on March 10, 2009, 02:04:30 PM

Saint Patrick does not meet the requirements for Redemption's definition of a priest (see jtay's post above for the quoted definition).

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A priest is one who is duly authorized to minister in sacred things,

Eucharist.

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and who acts as mediator between men and God.

Confessions.

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Other functions are blessing the people, determining the will of God, and instructing the people in the law of God.

Clearly these too.

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The office of priest is hereditary.

Apostolic sucession (hereditary doesn't have to be through genetic lineage).

SirNobody · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2009, 03:03:20 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: Colin Michael on March 10, 2009, 02:09:43 PM

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and who acts as mediator between men and God.

Confessions.

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," - 1 Timothy 2:5

I also feel that a prophet must share the message imparted to him before it comes to pass in order to qualify as a prophet.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

SirNobody · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2009, 03:20:18 PM »

Hey,

I'm not the most aware of Catholic philosophy on some of these things. Do they consider their priests today to be priests in the same way as the Old Testament priests were? Or do they see a difference between the two?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Colin Michael · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2009, 03:24:00 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on March 10, 2009, 03:20:18 PM

Hey,

I'm not the most aware of Catholic philosophy on some of these things. Do they consider their priests today to be priests in the same way as the Old Testament priests were? Or do they see a difference between the two?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Well enough to fit into the Redemption definition of a priest. I don't know the specifics but http://newadvent.org/ usually has good stuff to be found.

golgotha · « **Reply #15 on:** March 10, 2009, 03:39:58 PM »

I'm not sure what the criteria is for having a character made in Redemption that occurs outside of the Bible. For example, could we see a Billy Graham card made? I don't know. Since I am unsure of what requirements there are for said character, I don't know if the same criteria applies to them as other characters. Universally, it should. And I agree that there should be some context, some way of determining this.
Believe it or not, the Bible has been proven and considered by many to be historical fact. those who have tried to discredit it, have failed. So maybe basing things on historical fact could be some of the criteria. For example, despite rumors to the contrary, Elvis Presley is dead. We can't and shouldn't make a card "Elvis is Alive!" if we want to remain a game based on facts. The Bible has been confirmed to be true by several sources and information outside of the Bible itself. IDK, maybe we need to discuss this more, and find a way to define criteria for this. Truth be told, while I agree that there does need to be a way to define someone outside of the Bible as a saint, prophet or whatever, I kinda dislike the idea. Because one could make a semi-legit arguement that Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church could be considered a "Prophet" by some ruleings.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #16 on:** March 10, 2009, 03:42:34 PM »

Quote from: golgotha on March 10, 2009, 03:39:58 PM

I'm not sure what the criteria is for having a character made in Redemption that occurs outside of the Bible. For example, could we see a Billy Graham card made? I don't know. Since I am unsure of what requirements there are for said character, I don't know if the same criteria applies to them as other characters. Universally, it should. And I agree that there should be some context, some way of determining this.
Believe it or not, the Bible has been proven and considered by many to be historical fact. those who have tried to discredit it, have failed. So maybe basing things on historical fact could be some of the criteria. For example, despite rumors to the contrary, Elvis Presley is dead. We can't and shouldn't make a card "Elvis is Alive!" if we want to remain a game based on facts. The Bible has been confirmed to be true by several sources and information outside of the Bible itself. IDK, maybe we need to discuss this more, and find a way to define criteria for this. Truth be told, while I agree that there does need to be a way to define someone outside of the Bible as a saint, prophet or whatever, I kinda dislike the idea. Because one could make a semi-legit arguement that Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church could be considered a "Prophet" by some ruleings.

Well, if we can have priests of Baal, we should have priests of the Catholic church.

Seriously guys.

golgotha · « **Reply #17 on:** March 10, 2009, 03:52:50 PM »

I'm not saying we can't. I don't think anyone is saying that, at least not blatently. But the Priests of Baal were mentioned in the Bible...I feel the discussion is, since the Priests of the Catholic Church isn't mentioned in the Bible, should they just simply meet the same criteria as other priests, or should there be other criteria that they should meet.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:02:03 PM »

Quote from: golgotha on March 10, 2009, 03:52:50 PM

I'm not saying we can't. I don't think anyone is saying that, at least not blatently. But the Priests of Baal were mentioned in the Bible...I feel the discussion is, since the Priests of the Catholic Church isn't mentioned in the Bible, should they just simply meet the same criteria as other priests, or should there be other criteria that they should meet.

Well, St. Patrick isn't mentioned in the Bible.

golgotha · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:04:17 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on March 10, 2009, 08:56:46 AM

The Bible is the authoratative text in Redemption. If we're going to have cards made of people who lived outside of Bible times, then, for those exceptions, we need to consider official texts written about their life as well. This is the case with Saint Patrick.

Colin Michael · « **Reply #20 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:07:46 PM »

Quote from: golgotha on March 10, 2009, 04:04:17 PM

Quote from: BrianGabe on March 10, 2009, 08:56:46 AM
The Bible is the authoratative text in Redemption. If we're going to have cards made of people who lived outside of Bible times, then, for those exceptions, we need to consider official texts written about their life as well. This is the case with Saint Patrick.

So therefore, it is authoritative to say that he was a priest. I checked with the highest source of cannon I could find:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

Red · « **Reply #21 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:13:30 PM »

i say we need a costine card!

Colin Michael · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:14:29 PM »

I saw we need St. Augustine.

PATRON SAINT THEMED DECKS FOR THE WIN!

The Schaef · « **Reply #23 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:31:56 PM »

St. Nicholas!

When making a rescue attempt with this Hero, give one of your Redeemed Souls to each opponent.

STAMP · « **Reply #24 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:35:34 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on March 10, 2009, 04:31:56 PM

St. Nicholas!

When making a rescue attempt with this Hero, give one of your Redeemed Souls to each opponent.

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Author Topic: Saint Patrick - a prohphet? (Read 30287 times)

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