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Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« on: January 19, 2012, 04:20:27 AM »
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Pharaoh's Cupbearer (FF2)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: 0 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may capture this character to opponent's Land of Bondage to search your discard pile for a Genesis character (or a Genesis Artifact) and add your Genesis character to the battle. Cannot be negated.


Does the Genesis character you can add to the battle have to be the one you searched for?

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 07:58:51 AM »
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No.

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 09:12:25 AM »
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MJB is correct. Since it specifies "Genesis character" again (rather than something like "it"), you can add any character that fits the requirement.

I've often used Cupbearer to recur a Genesis hero from my discard and then to band in an Egyptian.

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 09:16:27 AM »
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1 last question: the card does say add a genesis character to the battle, can you bring a genesis hero character into battle, much like you could with a side battle card, having your hero battle their hero?

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 09:19:02 AM »
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1 last question: the card does say add a genesis character to the battle, can you bring a genesis hero character into battle, much like you could with a side battle card, having your hero battle their hero?
No.

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2012, 09:19:42 AM »
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It is not a side battle card (side battle cards specify something to the effect of "characters fight each other") so if you add anything to battle it must be an evil character.

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2012, 09:25:41 AM »
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It is not a side battle card (side battle cards specify something to the effect of "characters fight each other") so if you add anything to battle it must be an evil character.

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Due to the nature that "add to battle" = "band" and evil characters can not band to heroes? that makes sense....

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 09:30:21 AM »
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If you read the thread Red Wing linked to, it's actually because you aren't allowed to add characters to an opponent's side of the battle, except with choose the blocker, choose the rescuer, and "band all rescuer's heroes and blocker's evil characters into battle" abilities.

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2012, 10:13:43 AM »
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If you read the thread Red Wing linked to, it's actually because you aren't allowed to add characters to an opponent's side of the battle, except with choose the blocker, choose the rescuer, and "band all rescuer's heroes and blocker's evil characters into battle" abilities.

my question was more so to bring in a hero to fight against their hero...

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 11:11:57 AM »
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Other than the above abilities, you cannot bring in a character of the opposite alignment.
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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 11:44:05 AM »
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There is one really fun way (that I'm currently experimenting in a T2 deck) that you could place a Genesis hero into battle by using Pharaoh's Cupbearer's special ability: cause a side battle between two evil characters with you controlling PC.

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 12:06:49 PM »
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There is one really fun way (that I'm currently experimenting in a T2 deck) that you could place a Genesis hero into battle with Pharaoh's Cupbearer: cause a side battle between two evil characters with you controlling PC.

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Bryon's ruling does not say that an Evil Character and a Hero can fight on the same side of the battle. You're reading things into it that are not there. ECs and Heroes fight one another, not together.
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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 12:10:40 PM »
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There is one really fun way (that I'm currently experimenting in a T2 deck) that you could place a Genesis hero into battle with Pharaoh's Cupbearer: cause a side battle between two evil characters with you controlling PC.

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Bryon's ruling does not say that an Evil Character and a Hero can fight on the same side of the battle. You're reading things into it that are not there. ECs and Heroes fight one another, not together.

Which hero and EC are fighting together in my example?
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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 12:14:00 PM »
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Which hero and EC are fighting together in my example?

...you could place a Genesis hero into battle with Pharaoh's Cupbearer: cause a side battle between two evil characters...
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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2012, 12:21:03 PM »
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Which hero and EC are fighting together in my example?

...you could place a Genesis hero into battle with Pharaoh's Cupbearer: cause a side battle between two evil characters...

Thank you for noting the ambiguity of my english.  ;)

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 12:35:16 PM »
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I think he means start a side battle with PC and <something>, use PC's ability to capture itself (therefore it's not in battle anymore) and THEN add a Genesis hero to the side battle.

I don't see why that wouldn't work.

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 12:36:21 PM »
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When I read your post I still get the same meaning from it but I think I might understand what you're getting at. Are you saying:

1) You create a side battle between 2 EC's and use CB to add a Genesis Hero to the main battle?

or

2) You create a side battle between 2 EC's and use CB to add a Genesis Hero to the side battle (along with the EC)?

I honestly don't believe either of those works. For example #1, CB adds the character to the existing battle (which would be the side battle). When a card says "add to the battle" that means the current battle. I already explained #2 above because that's how I read your post initially.

Pharaoh's Cupbearer (FF2)

Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: 0 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may capture this character to opponent's Land of Bondage to search your discard pile for a Genesis character (or a Genesis Artifact) and add your Genesis character to the battle. Cannot be negated.

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If Unknown Nation works, Pharaoh's Cupbearer works.  Talk to Bryon.
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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 12:38:04 PM »
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Yo, I follow you now. I forgot that PCB removes himself from battle. :-[

That works. :thumbup:
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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 12:41:44 PM »
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Yo, I follow you now. I forgot that PCB removes himself from battle. :-[

That works. :thumbup:

No problem.  :)

Feel free to use the strategy...side battles are such fun!  Of course, I don't need to tell you that.  ;)
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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 12:44:47 PM »
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What happened to the rule that you can't add a character of opposite alignment to battle?

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Re: Pharaoh's Cupbearer
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2012, 12:50:21 PM »
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What happened to the rule that you can't add a character of opposite alignment to battle?

Read Bryon's explanation
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