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Okay I have brought this up before, but this time I asked my English Professor from in college and she has to agree with me on this one about the card 'Gomer'

the card says 'character may band with any male evil character each turn.'

A turn can be anything from your turn to draw cards and whatever, to your turn in battle (initiative and turn = the same meaning)

The word any literally is plural/singular. My professor mentioned the card doesn't state a limit to how many evil character Gomer can be banded to. Meaning that although she can only band to one evil character per turn, she still could keep banding to evil characters, adding to her power.

for instance, I am defending against a hero with Gomer, so it is my turn. I band her to Leviathan. The player with offense plays his cards to surpass 15/15, so it is then my turn again. So to top off him I add in Saul on top of leviathan (you do the math lol). So now Gomer is banded to two male evil characters.

The card doesn't sa she has a limit at all, and I am saying the ruling on the Gomer card should be changed because the wording is so different. I have spoken about this to several other Redemption Card players here in Michigan and they all agree with me that either the Gomer card is re-made to 'Gomer may band with 1 male evil character', and the old version is used the way I just stated because of the wording.

Also Gomer is a retired card, there won't be that many of her out there for long. I say the ruling on Gomer is changed to match what the card says, and same goes for all other cards that are worded differently form what the ruling states.

Games sometimes define words differently than they would be used outside of their respective.  Redemption has defined the word "any" to mean a singular entity.  Also, the word "turn" is used in Redemption to collectively refer to all actions a player does between drawing 3 cards and telling your opponent to draw 3 cards.  In battle, when you have a chance to play another card, it is called "initiative," not a "turn."  Therefore, Gomer's special ability is fine the way it is.

Kirk

she does have a point

It doesn't work that way. Read the TEXP Gomer and and play it like that expept the CBN part.

It doesn't work that way. Read the TEXP Gomer and and play it like that expept the CBN part.

I'm talking about the WOmen Expansion Pack Gomer. WEP Gomer

And math, the definition of Initiative means the same thing as turn. You are fighting each other over a Lost Soul, defending/rescuing. You have initiative to play an enhancement (or in Gomers case Band). That is still a turn in the gaming world.

Quote from: New Raven BR on June 19, 2010, 11:40:36 AM

Quote from: RED on June 19, 2010, 11:38:53 AM

It doesn't work that way. Read the TEXP Gomer and and play it like that expept the CBN part.

RED
she's talking about the older version of gomer

Do you think i'm that stupid? I know my cards and they play the same except the TEXP gomer is Cannot Be Negated.

Dude the old version of Gomer CAN be negated/ignored/whatever. So who cares if the old version of Gomer could be used the way I was hoping? She can be negated.

Re-read my post please.

How about no... and also I don't want to deal with you and Raven arguing on my thread about this. Read the old Gomer card, then the new one. They are worded differently so the new Gomer card referrs to having only one male evil character banded to her during battle.

Quote from: kooky112 on June 19, 2010, 11:44:21 AM

And math, the definition of Initiative means the same thing as turn.

No, it does not.

Quote from: kooky112 on June 19, 2010, 11:44:21 AM

You are fighting each other over a Lost Soul, defending/rescuing. You have initiative to play an enhancement (or in Gomers case Band). That is still a turn in the gaming world.

This is not "the gaming world." What other card games do is irrelevant. In Redemption, "turn" is completely different than "initiative." Raven only agrees with you because you are a girl. This debate is pointless. You can either play the game the correct way, or your way. Just realize that in a sanctioned tournament outside your group, "turn" will not mean what you want it to mean, only what it has been defined as for Redemption.

Well math, the people here in Michigan are trying to go by the rules, however we are about fed up with these rules and ready to fight back. I'm simply the 'nice' one of the group on this topic about Gomer. And frankly, Raven isn't agreeing with me because I'm a girl. I have a boyfriend who I am going to hopefully be marrying by next Summer if it all works out.

Anyways thanks alot for the input, I don't think this topic will die though until it is totally settled in some manner where both ways meet half way.

The people in Michigan don't understand the rules then. For REDEMPTION PURPOSES, a turn is the set of events that occur between the inital draw of 3 cards until the discarding down to 8 and subsequent passing of the turn. Nothing else.

You people who don't live in Michigan don't have an understanding of us who Live in Michigan. We have a slightly different vocabulary than some others, and a very different Accent than from most other states if you want to know. And to be honest, half of the people I know are Canadians.

You have initiative to play an enhancement (or in Gomers case Band).

Not at all.

Gomers ability does not require initiative to activate. It activates the instant you put Gomer into battle. Also, the only abilities that "remember" some sort of state are those that say "While in play" such as Judas Iscariot.

So, Gomers ability activates instantly when she enters battle, and lets her band to one male evil character, and that's it. Next turn, its not going to let her band to two male evil characters, because abilities on characters do not remain active outside of battle unless it says "While in play."

Adding on to Gomer not needing initiative to band, if your opponent rescues with a 1/1 hero, and you block with Gomer, technically your opponent should have initiative, but you can still band, because character abilities do not require initiative.

Well math, the people here in Michigan are trying to go by the rules, however we are about fed up with these rules and ready to fight back.

Why are you "fighting" about your own misunderstanding of the rules?

And frankly, Raven isn't agreeing with me because I'm a girl. I have a boyfriend who I am going to hopefully be marrying by next Summer if it all works out.

I have a feeling he's disagreeing because he also understands how Gomer works...

Anyways thanks alot for the input, I don't think this topic will die though until it is totally settled in some manner where both ways meet half way.

In a situation like this, there shouldn't be a "half way" Its a very clear cut situation with one right answer according to the rules.

Here is the Redemption Rulebook definition of turn (page 53):

Turn
A turn begins with the Draw Phase and ends with the Discard Phase. A player announces he is finished at the end of his turn.

Your choice now is simply to play by the official rules, or play by "Michigan Rules." However, I am certain that there are players in Michigan and Canada who play by the official rules.

Just remember that if you attend other state, regional, or national tournaments, "Michigan Rules" will not apply.

Ease up, guys.  This is a simple problem with a simple solution, but he doesn't need to be hammered over it.