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Offline Praeceps

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Questions about Set-Aside turn counting
« on: January 09, 2014, 11:39:07 PM »
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Here's one:

My priest is in battle and has initiative. He plays Pentecost and sets himself and my other human heroes aside for 1 turn. Can I bring him back in my next prep phase even though it hasn't been one full cycle of battle phase to battle phase?
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Re: Questions about Set-Aside turn counting
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2014, 11:51:07 PM »
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Yes. Similarly, if you draw the Shame Lost Soul (set aside a Hero from each territory for 2 turns) in your draw phase, your Hero that you set aside gets a counter the very next phase and would come back on your next turn even though that wasn't technically "2 full turns." In the case of set aside cards, "turns" more accurately means "upkeep phases" than full sets of phases.

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Re: Questions about Set-Aside turn counting
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 01:50:45 AM »
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That's...unfair  :-\
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Re: Questions about Set-Aside turn counting
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2014, 10:27:33 AM »
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For consistency's sake everything gets a counter in upkeep because otherwise you'd have to remember which cards set aside what in which phase, and it would be complicated for things to come back in the battle phase since the battle phase consists solely of battles.

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Re: Questions about Set-Aside turn counting
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2014, 11:33:39 AM »
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Oh, I didn't say it didn't make sense, just that it was unfair.
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Re: Questions about Set-Aside turn counting
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2014, 05:10:24 PM »
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Split this discussion out of this thread, as it is a discussion that is worth having for everyone to see.  It resulted from this answer



Okay, so, I did say that each upkeep turns are counted, but I have never actually seen it played that way with the Shame LS that was drawn during the draw phase (Draw-Upkeep-Prep-Battle-Discard, for reference).  I have always seen it played as if that first upkeep didn't "count", but that doesn't make sense according to the rules, browarod is correct by them.

Quote from: REG 2.0
Upkeep Phase
The Upkeep Phase immediately follows the Draw Phase. On a player’s upkeep phase, a turn is added to the count of that player’s set-aside, poison, or disease abilities.

Have I just been playing this incorrectly then?  Honestly, it never triggered in my head, as I always saw everyone playing this differently.  I can't think of anything else that would have a similar effect (as it would have to happen during the draw phase itself), but this is still a bit disturbing to me.

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Re: Questions about Set-Aside turn counting
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2014, 07:15:53 PM »
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Quote from: REG 2.0
Upkeep Phase
The Upkeep Phase immediately follows the Draw Phase. On a player’s upkeep phase, a turn is added to the count of that player’s set-aside, poison, or disease abilities.

Have I just been playing this incorrectly then?  Honestly, it never triggered in my head, as I always saw everyone playing this differently.  I can't think of anything else that would have a similar effect (as it would have to happen during the draw phase itself), but this is still a bit disturbing to me.

Thoughts?

Yeah, definitely been playing it incorrectly.  And so have I.  And so has everyone else I've ever played against regarding that LS.  I'm actually kind of miffed I never caught that before, since I've experienced Draw/Upkeep phase order mattering a couple times when playing MtG.  Then again, I don't use Shame all that much.

Counters are maintained in Upkeep, which follows Draw.  So if Shame enters play in your Draw phase and you use it's ability, you should be putting a counter on your hero that's been set aside when you enter your Upkeep.

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Re: Questions about Set-Aside turn counting
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2014, 08:25:32 PM »
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Have I just been playing this incorrectly then?  Honestly, it never triggered in my head, as I always saw everyone playing this differently.  I can't think of anything else that would have a similar effect (as it would have to happen during the draw phase itself), but this is still a bit disturbing to me.

I have played it the wrong way too, apparently. However, I am not disturbed by it being played "correctly" since the person gaining the advantage is the one playing the LS. So since it was their card in the first place, and it took a spot in their deck, I think there should be a benefit for them.  ;D
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