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Can we still talk about the booster draft aspect? Evening out the playing field is type 1 is different than evening out the playing field in booster draft.  Booster draft is supposed to be about an even playing field and deck building. The rule seems nonsensical to me because people can easily make mistakes in drafting if they cannot see the cards they drafted before. Not only because mistakes happen but because these mistakes eliminates part of the whole even playing field aspect of booster draft with out much reason. I would propose a compromise that helps even this out more AND does not slow the draft down. All players are allowed to make any number of face down piles but cannot look through these piles. That way players can organize their colors but other people won't have to slow down too much when people use up time by looking through their piles. I understand that if you don't need a pile system to draft accurately that you would not benefit from this but it would help keep the spirit of booster draft.

Booster draft isn't completely relevant because you don't have to worry about cheating. Drrek's post was spot on.

You can never look at them until after everyone is done drafting and you can only have one pile.

Never look at the pile until after all packs are drafted?

Booster draft isn't completely relevant because you don't have to worry about cheating. Drrek's post was spot on.

I think Hobbit brought this up because I had mentioned it on the first page of this thread:

I will add my endorsement of said proposal. While we're at it, can we also change the rule so that you can look at the cards you have drafted during a Booster Draft. I'm getting too old for memories.

I would just set aside characters in general. That is what is hardest to remember - what color characters you have, and what ones you thought you had but don't. If you could at least make separate piles of your choice that would be helpful.

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Never look at the pile until after all packs are drafted?

That is the current rule, which is why I would like to see it changed. 

I propose that at the very least the rules are changed to allow a review period between drafting packs.

This is what we did at the most recent District tournament here in Florida. We announced the rule before the Draft so everyone would know. There were a coupe of newer players that we thought would benefit from this.

In retrospect, I do not think it added time to the draft. For me, I found that I was able to draft quicker in later packs because I did not have to think back to whether I had drafted a blue hero in the first pack. I knew exactly what brigades I had characters for going into the next pack. Often times (in the past) I had forgotten the last couple of cards that I drafted in each pack, since I didn't have real choices anyway.

I propose that at the very least the rules are changed to allow a review period between drafting packs.

Not a bad change...I've made many mistakes in booster because I forgot what I drafted...AOC without a Purple guy...not good

I mean, 80% the time the things you drafted in Prophets won't even be used other than the occasional hero or evil enhancement (the only really good one being Great Image and perhaps False Peace).

I think the point is you may have picked up a character from that pack, just because there were no other good choices. However, later on when you see a battle-winning enhancement while drafting, you may have forgotten what brigade that character was, since you didn't really want it in the first place.

Quote from: Westy on January 10, 2014, 12:49:18 PM

I mean, 80% the time the things you drafted in Prophets won't even be used other than the occasional hero or evil enhancement (the only really good one being Great Image and perhaps False Peace).

I think the point is you may have picked up a character from that pack, just because there were no other good choices. However, later on when you see a battle-winning enhancement while drafting, you may have forgotten what brigade that character was, since you didn't really want it in the first place.

Thank you, I wasn't saying that was the only problem, I was using it as an example. No need to nit-pick.

I'm just starting a new thread to continue the discussion from the other Rule Proposal thread. If a moderator could move the rest of the posts related to this thread over here, that would be great. 

Yeah, for SOME reason this site got blocked at work...
But I was planning to split it right after I got home (now).  Should be good to go, let me know if anyone sees anything out of place.

For everyone's reference, this discussion was a spin-off from the open discard pile proposal, and deserves it's own conversation (especially since I'm locking the other one ).

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My personal take, with hosting experience, is that drafting is so long already (especially at larger, Regional+ tournaments) that adding any more steps threatens schedules in some cases.  Smaller tournaments would be fine, but it is hard for the judge running things to keep everyone in line, and with more people, you get more "slow tables".  Unlike other proposals that would let you look at cards, this really would increase the amount of time of the activity, no matter how you slice it.  I'd like to see you be able to review your cards, definitely, but I'm worried about the cost.

My personal take, with hosting experience, is that drafting is so long already...

I just wanted to quote myself from earlier, because I'm not sure if you saw this post before you did the Moderator thing:

In retrospect, I do not think it added time to the draft. For me, I found that I was able to draft quicker in later packs because I did not have to think back to whether I had drafted a blue hero in the first pack. I knew exactly what brigades I had characters for going into the next pack. Often times (in the past) I had forgotten the last couple of cards that I drafted in each pack, since I didn't have real choices anyway.

So, I actually think the extra time from this rule change would mostly wash out from the less time spent pondering. 

I would be VERY VERY VERY against this proposed rule if it was ever actually considered.

For me if a game rule is changed it needs to done for either....

1. Streamlining/Simplifying the game (i.e Hunger ruling, proposed Discard Pile searching, SoG/NJ ruling, ect.) or...
2. Stopping CCCCCombo breakers (i.e errata)

All this proposed rule would do is further dumb down Booster Draft. (I personally hate the Tins with a passion.) The point of Booster Draft is deck building! It takes a certain skill to construct a deck from the allotted packs in a certain time limit. This rule would do nothing but create table clutter! If you stink at booster draft in the first place how would being able to make 20,000 stacks of cards improve your game?

I propose that at the very least the rules are changed to allow a review period between drafting packs.

I agree!

10-15 is more than appropriate for a quick glance between rounds. Since this period is usually compounded at the same time a new booster is being opened, very little time (if any) is lost at all.