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Quote from: TheHobbit13 on November 23, 2008, 08:15:28 PM

You can only draw "when" you are blocked. The problem is you are no longer being blocked because King David is being captured. Why would you get to still draw?   "If blocked is different than"when" blocked.

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on November 24, 2008, 10:26:59 PM

I see no reason why you would get to draw later if  you do not draw exactly when the evil character blocks like the card says.

I'm confused as to what you are trying to say should happen.

What I was trying to say was this: I think  that you have to respond to the trigger right when it is triggered or you cant use the ability. The proposal condtridicts this by saying you can draw after  king David is captured. I am saying that exactly when the EC blocks then you draw the card play next and his sa actives, because it seems like the act of blocking is a game action that occurs when you present the ec in battle then separetly the special ability completes which means the trigger from Throne of David would kick in before the special ability.  That is just how I see it. (I know I am wrong, but I need to know why/ what part I am wrong about)

What I was trying to say was this: I think  that you have to respond to the trigger right when it is triggered or you cant use the ability.

That is exactly what is happening.

The proposal condtridicts this by saying you can draw after  king David is captured.

Right, because the Evil Character has to enter battle in order to trigger Throne.  Presenting an EC activates his ability, it is one single event.  There is no gap between the playing of a card and the activation of a card, and it has been intended to be ruled that way consistently for at least three years now, dating back to the rule changes about playing Dominants and the downfall of the "human action".

Then the trigger can never be activated because it says "when" not "if" blocked so you shouldn't get to draw.

Now what you are missing is the fact that all of this is happening at the same moment (as if time was frozen). The EC enters battle during a RA, so he is "blocking." The fact that King David is not there does not change the fact that a "block" is taking place, especially since a negate card can still be played. I would equate it with the Every Man's Sword scenario, where the status of the RA/BC can change after all SAs complete. TToD is activated because a block has been initiated by the EC's presence. Until Battle Resolution comes into effect, the EC is still "blocking."

There would not even be a battle if your purple king is not being blocked. Egyptian Warden cannot enter the Field of Battle because he feels like it. The overarching scenario is still a RA by King David until the battle is resolved. Battle Resolution can not begin until all SA are completed.

I always overthink :-p