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Offline Mr.Hiatus

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Roman Spearmen
« on: February 13, 2018, 07:10:33 PM »
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Roman Spearman--Generic-mIf you control only Roman Spearmen in battle, toss all enhancements that are played this battle. CBI.
Unknown Nation--Curse- If opponent's hero is in battle, you may discard this card to search draw pile for a human evil character and add it to battle.

I think you see where this is going. Can I use Unknown Nation in battle while blocking with Roman Spearmen and add another Roman Spearmen into battle while still retaining the toss ability?

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Re: Roman Spearmen
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 07:25:43 PM »
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This is one of the only instances I know of in Redemption where this sort of thing comes up but I know in Magic (A very successful TCG with extremely well defined rules) when a card's ability references it's own name, it refers to the individual card itself (So in this case, Roman Spearmen refers to just that one instance of Roman Spearmen, not any card with the name "Roman Spearmen"). If this is the case in Redemption (Which I believe it is), then Roman Spearmen's true ability is "If you control only ~ in battle, toss all enhancements that are played this battle. CBI." Where "~" means "this card".

Alternatively it could be ruled that Roman Spearmen means all cards with the name Roman Spearmen but that could easily cause unintended interactions, as this rules question demonstrates.

After writing this out it occurred to me that his ability might need a play as "If you control only Roman Spearmen is the only character you control in battle, toss all enhancements that are played this battle. CBI."

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Re: Roman Spearmen
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 07:54:37 PM »
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IIRC that question came up in play testing and we agreed that if someone went to the effort of getting multiple Roman Spearman into battle that the toss still works.

Unknown Nation is probably the easiest way but you the Site Guard LS can pull it off. Gates+Crown of Thorns+banding demon can do it too.
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Re: Roman Spearmen
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 08:25:15 PM »
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This was sort of covered on a discussion of Joseph CW here. Taking a snippet of Justin's post with the ruling:
We've ruled that cards that reference themselves only target that specific copy.
Roman Spearmen isn't targeting himself, but I think the same should apply.

I do think Gabe is correct as to how it was tested/originally ruled - I just don't think it's the right ruling now.

 


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