Author Topic: roa 2 color demons (Read 9177 times)

lightningninja · « **on:** September 08, 2008, 12:36:41 AM »

Are they immune to Paul? He is blue, and he is green, and he is red. So wouldn't that mean that all of them are immune to paul?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2008, 01:20:24 AM »

They are immune to paul's numbers and that color ON paul. E.g.
Blocked by bear paul could play say a child is born to kill bear but not freedom!

golgotha · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2008, 06:37:29 PM »

Sounds to me, like you would have to discard an evil character to play them....maybe I am misunderstanding the first part of their ability.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2008, 07:07:13 PM »

Currently, you have to be immune to all of their to be immune to a multicolor character, so they're not immune to Paul, just what RR said.

Quote from: golgotha on September 08, 2008, 06:37:29 PM

Sounds to me, like you would have to discard an evil character to play them....maybe I am misunderstanding the first part of their ability.

You have to discard if there's a character from the specified culture in play. There doesn't have to be one in play to use the demon in battle.

lightningninja · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2008, 02:10:59 PM »

I was wondering about that. Okay... so now that you said that, here's the real reason for the thread.... assuming RR is right, and you are immune to that brigade, like freedom, then what about if you block Michael with prince of Tryus. He is immune to silver brigade, not silver heroes. Therefore, he isn't immune to michael, but he would be immune to victory, a silver card that isn't michael, gabriel, or captain of the host. Is this a possible loophole?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2008, 02:12:50 PM »

All angels are Silver Brigade Heroes, therefore if you are immune to the Silver Brigade, you are immune to Silver Brigade characters and enhancements.

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2008, 02:12:55 PM »

Immune to silver brigade means immune to silver heroes and enhancements.

EDIT: instaposted

lightningninja · « **Reply #7 on:** September 09, 2008, 02:15:01 PM »

sorry, I misstyped. I just mean that it seems that even though he would not be immune to Michael, he would still be immune to enhancements used by Michael, right?

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #8 on:** September 09, 2008, 02:24:25 PM »

Oh, I see what you're saying. I'm actually not quite sure what the correct answer is.

Prince of Tyrus - Special Ability: Immune to silver brigade, except Michael, Gabriel, and Captain of the Host. Cannot be prevented by a Hero.

I think that heroes is implied, since "except" limits which heroes he is immune to. In other words, I'm pretty sure that he is not immune to enhancements used by Michael.

TimMierz · « **Reply #9 on:** September 09, 2008, 02:29:25 PM »

Mr. Diablo is correct. Immunity to a brigade means immunity to characters and enhancements (and covenants/curses). Prince of Tyrus is immune to enhancements played on Michael.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #10 on:** September 09, 2008, 02:30:46 PM »

Quote from: TimMierz on September 09, 2008, 02:29:25 PM

Mr. Diablo is correct. Immunity to a brigade means immunity to characters and enhancements (and covenants/curses). Prince of Tyrus is immune to enhancements played on Michael.

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #11 on:** September 09, 2008, 02:33:43 PM »

*ducks head in shame*

I did say I wasn't sure...

lightningninja · « **Reply #12 on:** September 09, 2008, 06:25:27 PM »

Well then, if you're correct, Red Dragon is not immune to freedom played on let's say Gad. Just like there's prince not immune to michael but still immune to his enhancement, then Red Dragon in the EXACT same instance would not be immune to enhancements played on humans. This is what I'm saying, this just doesn't seem right.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #13 on:** September 09, 2008, 06:31:27 PM »

I, for once, agree with fireninja

TimMierz · « **Reply #14 on:** September 09, 2008, 06:32:31 PM »

Being immune to a character includes being immune to enhancements played on a character.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #15 on:** September 09, 2008, 06:40:11 PM »

So the inverse of that is not being immune to a character = not being immune to their enh.

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #16 on:** September 09, 2008, 06:41:40 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 09, 2008, 06:40:11 PM

So the inverse of that is not being immune to a character = not being immune to their enh.

But I guess in the situation with Prince of Tyrus, he is still immune to silver enhancements. Just not Michael.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #17 on:** September 09, 2008, 06:42:47 PM »

So... Prince of Tyrus can ONLY be affected by Mike, Gabe, and CotH's numbers and SA's, but nothing else silver?

If so, that card got so much better.

LukeSnyder · « **Reply #18 on:** September 09, 2008, 06:45:44 PM »

Yeah... I never realized that the distinction would be made between "immune to (color) heroes" and "immune to (color) brigade"

I may wind up actually playing the card.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #19 on:** September 09, 2008, 07:24:37 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 09, 2008, 06:40:11 PM

So the inverse of that is not being immune to a character = not being immune to their enh.

Who said they had to be inverse? Mary Magdalene is immune to demon-related enhancements. Lazarus can use off-color converts, but if you're immune to blue/green/gold, he can't use a blue/green/gold convert on you.

Also, inverse is the wrong manipulation, since a statement being true does not imply that the inverse is true.

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If a statement is true, then its contrapositive is always true (and vice versa).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrapositive

lightningninja · « **Reply #20 on:** September 10, 2008, 01:25:28 PM »

so... let me get this straight.

not immune to heroes=may still be immune to their enhancements

immune to hero=immune to their enhancements

Is this right? Seems just kind of weird....

And RR, I think we've agreed from time to time.... well, at least I've agreed with Lambo before.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #21 on:** September 10, 2008, 02:04:02 PM »

That's how I understand it.

This situation with Michael/Prince of Tyrus seems weird because it's not partial immunity to a brigade, but I believe it's the only such situation in the game. Should Lazarus be able to use a gold convert against someone immune to gold?

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