Author Topic: Revealer (Read 2905 times)

juhnkect · « **on:** September 05, 2010, 06:48:42 PM »

Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you draw this card, each opponent must reveal the top two cards of his draw pile. Place each revealed Lost Soul in owner's Land of Bondage. Place the rest beneath owner's draw pile. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Romans 3:23

Who chooses the order of the cards that go on the bottom of the deck?

are they placed under in the order they are drawn?

crustpope · « **Reply #1 on:** September 05, 2010, 06:51:07 PM »

yes. Revealing does not change order.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #2 on:** September 05, 2010, 06:51:26 PM »

I'm 98.4% sure the deck owner chooses.

Nameless · « **Reply #3 on:** September 05, 2010, 06:52:18 PM »

wheres a elder when you need 1

crustpope · « **Reply #4 on:** September 05, 2010, 06:54:45 PM »

No, they go to the bottom in the order they are drawn. in EVERY other case, revealing does not change order unless it specifically says to do so.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #5 on:** September 05, 2010, 06:58:03 PM »

I don't think you're right. I'm over 9000% sure Susanna can place them in any order. It might be because that is a search but I don't think so...

Smokey · « **Reply #6 on:** September 05, 2010, 07:15:36 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on September 05, 2010, 06:51:26 PM

I'm 98.4% sure the deck owner chooses.

I'm 100% sure.

Quote from: Nameless on September 05, 2010, 06:52:18 PM

wheres a elder when you need 1

Don't need an elder for every ruling.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #7 on:** September 05, 2010, 07:23:24 PM »

From the REG:

Instant Special Abilities > Fortify or Place > Special Conditions

• Cards placed in a draw pile typically specify a particular location in the draw pile (e.g., bottom). If a player must place multiple cards at the same time, that player may choose the order of the cards being placed.

juhnkect · « **Reply #8 on:** September 05, 2010, 07:35:45 PM »

So the owner of the Revealer chooses? or the owner of the cards being placed under the deck chooses?

Nameless · « **Reply #9 on:** September 05, 2010, 07:37:03 PM »

I never knew that

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #10 on:** September 05, 2010, 07:41:33 PM »

Quote from: juhnkect on September 05, 2010, 07:35:45 PM

So the owner of the Revealer chooses? or the owner of the cards being placed under the deck chooses?

The owner of the cards being placed chooses. This is particularly useful if you use an orange defense.

juhnkect · « **Reply #11 on:** September 05, 2010, 07:48:01 PM »

yes. that question came up today in my game. I had GoH out.

I thought this was ruling. good to know for sure now! thanks.

crustpope · « **Reply #12 on:** September 06, 2010, 10:53:58 AM »

dang. I am batting like .045 in ruling questions...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #13 on:** September 06, 2010, 11:43:45 AM »

Quote from: crustpope on September 06, 2010, 10:53:58 AM

dang. I am batting like .045 in ruling questions...

But as long as you hit home runs you can still be a starter at the Major League level.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #14 on:** September 06, 2010, 11:56:26 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on September 05, 2010, 07:41:33 PM

Quote from: juhnkect on September 05, 2010, 07:35:45 PM
So the owner of the Revealer chooses? or the owner of the cards being placed under the deck chooses?

The owner of the cards being placed chooses. This is particularly useful if you use an orange defense.

Based on the wording of the REG ruling and the Revealer, I would say that the Revealer's owner chooses. The Revealer says: "Place the rest beneath draw pile" and the REG says "If a player must place multiple cards, he chooses the order." So if I reveal your cards, I place your cards, and therefore I get to choose the order.

However, I have never played it that way, and never seen it played that way, and I typically don't care what order my opponent puts them on bottom. But that does seem to be the way it should be according to the rules.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #15 on:** September 06, 2010, 12:04:57 PM »

Owner of Owner of revealed
Revealer chooses

cards chooses

I'd go with prof alstad because that is a valid point even though i've never played that way it is REG and Revealer's special ability.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #16 on:** September 06, 2010, 02:00:05 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on September 06, 2010, 11:56:26 AM

So if I reveal your cards, I place your cards, and therefore I get to choose the order.

However, the Revealer says that "each opponent must reveal," so the owner of the Revealer is not doing the revealing, therefore they are not doing the placing either.

Josh · « **Reply #17 on:** September 06, 2010, 02:48:32 PM »

The person who does the revealing chooses the order. This was explained by Gabe a few months ago. For the Revealer LS, your opponent chooses the order, but for a card like Seeker of the Lost, the owner of Seeker chooses the order.

SirNobody · « **Reply #18 on:** September 06, 2010, 02:49:49 PM »

Hey,

I agree with YMT. The "each opponent must" applies to the reveal and to the place abilities. It is the opponent (the owner of the deck that the cards go under) that is placing cards beneath their deck, they get to choose.

Quote from: Smokey on September 05, 2010, 07:15:36 PM

Quote from: Nameless on September 05, 2010, 06:52:18 PM
wheres a elder when you need 1
Don't need an elder for every ruling.

I couldn't agree more.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #19 on:** September 07, 2010, 12:19:16 AM »

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However, the Revealer says that "each opponent must reveal," so the owner of the Revealer is not doing the revealing, therefore they are not doing the placing either.

My bad, the game was with me and i got the seeker and revealer mixed up because i remember someone saying (Gabe) that there was a way that i could manipulate the placing of cards beneath my opponents deck and i thought it was with revealer where it says:

Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you draw this card, each opponent must reveal the top two cards of his draw pile. Place each revealed Lost Soul in owner's Land of Bondage. Place the rest beneath owner's draw pile. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Romans 3:23

I thought this was talking about the same person who drew the card...

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The person who does the revealing chooses the order. This was explained by Gabe a few months ago. For the Revealer LS, your opponent chooses the order, but for a card like Seeker of the Lost, the owner of Seeker chooses the order.

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Author Topic: Revealer (Read 2905 times)

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