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Priest of Zeus vs banding to my opponent's Servant Angel
« on: July 10, 2017, 04:28:32 AM »
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So Guardian and I were playing on Lackey when we came into this situation. He had Priests of Zeus in play, I began an RA with Michael, the Archangel and I banded to his Servant Angel and drew 3. Can Priests of Zeus trigger?

Priests of Zeus
2/5 Black Territory Class Evil Character
Acts 14:13, Greek, Priest
If an opponent draws because of their special ability, you may discard a card in that player's territory (except a Lost Soul). CBI

Servant Angel
2/3 Silver Warrior Class Hero
Revelation 22:3, Generic, X = # of your Revelation Angels
You may Draw X (limit 3) or search Deck or Reserve for Heavenly Temple or a Heavenly Temple Artifact. CBI.
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Re: Priest of Zeus vs banding to my opponent's Servant Angel
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 09:10:06 AM »
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If "their" has the same conditions as "your" (ownership and control) then Servant Angel would not trigger PoZ since even though you have temporary control of it, Guardian still owns it.

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Re: Priest of Zeus vs banding to my opponent's Servant Angel
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 10:15:24 AM »
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I would argue that the person in control of the card would trigger PoZ's condition of 'their' ability since they are in control of the card.

Same thing when someone makes a side battle and they select a card for the opponent to use. I believe Abom has utilized Philip's Daughters for that exact reason.

(I am also not a judge, so feel free to get another opinion =] )
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Re: Priest of Zeus vs banding to my opponent's Servant Angel
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 10:36:05 AM »
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I would argue that the person in control of the card would trigger PoZ's condition of 'their' ability since they are in control of the card.

Same thing when someone makes a side battle and they select a card for the opponent to use. I believe Abom has utilized Philip's Daughters for that exact reason.

(I am also not a judge, so feel free to get another opinion =] )

Abom is different; it triggers off any draw (besides draw phase) no matter which player's ability it is.

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Re: Priest of Zeus vs banding to my opponent's Servant Angel
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 12:10:00 PM »
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I concur with Kevin.  "Their" special ability should be view the same as "their" card - ownership + control is required.

Abom is worded differently - it triggers every time your opponent draws cards, except for the draw phase. 
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Re: Priest of Zeus vs banding to my opponent's Servant Angel
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 12:28:34 PM »
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I concur with Kevin.  "Their" special ability should be view the same as "their" card - ownership + control is required.

Abom is worded differently - it triggers every time your opponent draws cards, except for the draw phase.

Ah yes. The word 'Any' haha
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Re: Priest of Zeus vs banding to my opponent's Servant Angel
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 02:13:32 PM »
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If "their" has the same conditions as "your" (ownership and control) then Servant Angel would not trigger PoZ since even though you have temporary control of it, Guardian still owns it.

Yea, that's what I've been thinking, but Guardian said he wasn't sure.
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Re: Priest of Zeus vs banding to my opponent's Servant Angel
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2017, 03:01:58 PM »
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We had a pretty in depth discussion last year about what constitutes using an ability. The conclusion was this glossary definition in the REG:

Quote from: REG>Glossary>Use an Ability
A player is considered to have used an ability when that ability is completed on a card they control. To be considered used, the ability must complete, meaning it cannot be prevented or affected by an instead modifier.

An optional ability (usually indicated by "may") is not considered completed if the controlling player chooses not to activate it, but it is considered completed if they either choose to activate it or if it is not optional.

An ability is considered used if it completes, even if there is no effect or if the effect involves other players.

Based on the first line of that entry it seems like the player controlling Servant Angel used the ability and therefore triggered tPoZ. But I know we have a long standing ruling the "your" means "own and control" (does anyone know if that's documented in the game rules?). By extension it seems like "their" could fall under that umbrella as well.

Conclusion, I could see the ruling on this go either way and have made a note to document the rule that "your" (and possibly "their") means "own and control".
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Re: Priest of Zeus vs banding to my opponent's Servant Angel
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 03:45:04 AM »
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Thanks Gabe =)
They seem pretty lame as fighters maybe we should challenge them to a dance off or a redemption game

 


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