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If the drawn card is a LS, what happens?  (Play As is Errata, so disregard.  Then what?)

Pharaoh's Magicians (Pa)

Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: 7 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: Draw the top card from own draw pile. If it is evil, show and put in hand. If not, place at the bottom of draw pile without shuffling. • Play As: Reveal the top card from your deck. If it is evil, place it in your hand. If it is not, place it beneath your deck. • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Human, Magician (Egypt) • Verse: Exodus 7:11 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Uncommon)

LS goes to bottom. You draw it, put it down by the LS rule, draw a replacement, then put the LS on bottom.

So if it were this LS:
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you draw this card, you may set aside a Hero from each territory for two turns. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Jeremiah 3:25 • Availability: Rock of Ages booster packs (None)
you can use it's ability.

Correct.

Guardian said otherwise (albeit in the shoutbox)

The Guardian: no because the LS is never put in play
The Guardian: its kind of an implied "instead" ability
SomeKittens: What if it's a LS like the Revealer or Shame?  Does the SA activate?

When you have 9 cards in hand and attack with Hur with Gifts up, do you only draw 7 regardless of how many are Lost Souls? I've always seen everybody play where if you draw a soul, you put it down and replace it the instant it's drawn, and the SA is pending the completion of the draw card. If that is not the case then we've been playing some things wrong with the hand limit.

Here is PM's actual SA:

"Draw the top card from own draw pile. If it is evil, show and put in hand. If not, place at the bottom of draw pile without shuffling."

Here is what you do: D1. If it is a LS, put it in play and replace it. If it is Evil, show it and put it back in your hand. If not, bottomdeck it (since "it" refers to the card drawn, that would be the LS now in play if it were a LS). The only way that would not be the case is if LS's do not go to play immediately upon drawing, but rather wait for the pending SA's to finish.

If that were the case, you would: D1. If it is Evil, show it and put it back in your hand. If not, bottomdeck it. If it were a Lost Soul, you'd draw to replace the LS drawn.

All in all, this SA is worded so poorly it probably just needs an errata to make it do what it was obviously supposed to do.

All in all, this SA is worded so poorly it probably just needs an errata to make it do what it was obviously supposed to do.

I agree.

They've already put in a Play As that fixes that, but I've been instructed to disregard it.

I would have thought ls don't really count as the draw cards, I thought the game real of replacing ls meant that the ls is put in play and the next card counts as the completion of the ability. So in this case, you put the ls in play after drawing and then the card that you NOW draw in place of it is checked for evil/good alignment and placed either in your hand or bottom of deck.

Pol's logic seems pretty sound.  Is there anyone on the other side of the fence that would like to give some support to an alternative viewpoint?

It doesn't seem to uphold the original intent of the card. It's not meant to draw two cards, it's meant for one. So if the ls is the one targeted, but you just get to randomly draw a free card, that's nowhere in the original ability. You're not supposed to be able to draw the card. There is one target. So with my interpretation that the ls doesn't count as drawn by the ability, there is only one card targeted for the place/draw, which is the card after the ls.

I don't see why, as to Pol's valid response, ls can't be "drawn," but not considered drawn by the ability.