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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Crashfach2002 on February 07, 2009, 11:17:47 PM
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My opponent starts a RA with Angel at the Tomb(6/6) I block with King Merodach-baladan(10/11). My opponent has initiative and plays Fire, Smoke, and Sulfur "Discard one human Evil Character (or two if there are at least 6 humans in play)." So now since my character is being targeted and discarded I have initiative and play Treacher of Jezebel "The effect of the last enhancement card played in current battle may be interrupted and its effect is either prevented or redirected to the Hero of your choice." So my question is since there are 6 humans in play to I get to discard two Heroes / two Evil Characters other than myself / or do I just have to prevent it?
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When you redirect Fire, Smoke and Sulfur you get to choose the targets. They still have to be legal and meet the requirements of the redirected enhancement. In this case you'd get to choose which 2 human evil characters will be discarded.
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you can redirect the ability to 2 different ECs
EDIT: drat, intraposted
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It says redirect it to a hero though, so the rule of redirect the text doesn't apply?
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It says redirect it to a hero though, so the rule of redirect the text doesn't apply?
Interesting wording on Treachery of Jezebel.
The REG says this about how to play Redirect cards.
A redirect special ability lets a player play an opponent’s card as if it were his, reapplying the special ability on the redirected card as he chooses. When specified, the redirected card abilities (*/*) are applied to the character on which the redirect card was originally played. The abilities and special ability on the redirected card and the character on which the redirect card is played do not change. Only the card’s player and targets change.
Council of Abigail had similarly ackward wording and was given errata. It doesn't appear that Treachery of Jezebel has gotten errata though.
Counsel of Abigail
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Red • Ability: 1 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: The effect of the last enhancement card played in current battle may be interrupted and its effect is prevented and redirected to the Evil Character of your choice. • Errata: Interrupt the last enhancement played this battle and either negate it or redirect it.
Treachery of Jezebel
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 2 / 1 • Class: None • Special Ability: The effect of the last enhancement card played in current battle may be interrupted and its effect is either prevented or redirected to the Hero of your choice.
So do we do what the card says and make Fire, Smoke and Sulfur suddenly target a Hero (I doubt it), play it as "Redirect" is defined in the rules and choose the evil Characters (maybe) or just prevent it because it can't be redirected to Heroes (most likely)? :dunno:
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Just a comment since you guys didn't seem to be notcing that part. I have no idea myself. I afree it should probably just be prevented though.
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But I want to kill his guys!
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Unless there is an errata (which I think would be nice) I don't think you can target them.
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I have always played that you can redirect an ability to target the corresponding character, meaning if a hero was killing an ec before, the ec can be killing the hero now.
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I have always played that you can redirect an ability to target the corresponding character, meaning if a hero was killing an ec before, the ec can be killing the hero now.
This is not correct. According to the REG:
Redirect is a special ability enhancement card that affects (influences) the opposing card. The wording on the card being redirected does not change. Redirect simply means that the holder of the redirect card carries out the special ability of the redirected card exactly as written, not the holder of the redirected card.
You must do what the card says to do. If it says "discard an EC" you must discard an EC. You cannot change "EC" to "Hero" just because the blocker redirected a good enhancement.
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It would be awesome if Redirects actually reversed the effect back at the opponent... like the word redirect implies. :P
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It would be awesome if Redirects actually reversed the effect back at the opponent... like the word redirect implies. :P
I agree, as was the original intent (based on the wording of the original cards from Womens). However, since Redirect has been redefined, we need to stay consistent. I think Treachery should be errated like Counsel since their wording is nearly identical (like Gabe said earlier).
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I agree, as was the original intent (based on the wording of the original cards from Womens). However, since Redirect has been redefined, we need to stay consistent. I think Treachery should be errated like Counsel since their wording is nearly identical (like Gabe said earlier).
I'm surprised it never was. I really thought it had been.
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What was it that inspired the change in how Redirects work? except for banding, I cant think of any cards that would cause a major conflict with reversing "hero" and "evil character."
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I'm surprised it never was. I really thought it had been.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have been ruling it as if it had been. I never checked the REG because I had already checked Counsel of Abigail for an earlier ruling.
What was it that inspired the change in how Redirects work? except for banding, I cant think of any cards that would cause a major conflict with reversing "hero" and "evil character."
I'm just guessing, but I would think taking a card that discards a hero in a territory and redirecting it to discard an EC in battle would be stretching its use.
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Why would it change "in territory" to "in battle"?
All you need to do is swap Hero for Evil Character.... that means it'd discard a hero in your opponents territory.
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it would still target have to target territory though.
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The question that remains is Treachery of Jezebel, which says "may be redirected to the hero of your choice." That is what I thought the basic problem was. If Treachery says to choose which hero to redirect the effect to, then you could presumably choose the hero in battle. I do not agree with that conclusion, but I can understand why it could cause confusion.
I still think Treachery of Jezebel needs an errata to match Counsel of Abigail and to make rulings more consistent (and easier).