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Offline DDiceRC

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Gibeonite Trickery (Pa)
« on: May 11, 2013, 12:02:41 PM »
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Is the "Play As" on the Redemption Wiki official? I know this was discussed a while back, and the question came up at a tournament today. We're going by the wiki "Play As," but one player doesn't believe this is correct.
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Re: Gibeonite Trickery (Pa)
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2013, 12:22:08 PM »
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The play as appears wrong - the gain is permanent.

I added the abilities from the Wiki and Current Play As spreadsheet.

Each Hero in battle gains 0/4 and the battle immediately ends. Ability can not be interrupted or prevented.

Errata/Play As: Each Hero in battle gains 0/4 until the end of battle and the battle immediately ends. Cannot be negated.

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Re: Gibeonite Trickery (Pa)
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2013, 12:26:10 PM »
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Quote from: Captain Kirk on May 11, 2013, 12:22:08 PM
The play as appears wrong - the gain is permanent.

This ties in perfectly with another Q that came up last booster draft:

What gains are permanent and what gains aren't? Do cards such as Elijah's Mantle and Cov w/ Salt give permanent gains? If so, why?
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Re: Gibeonite Trickery (Pa)
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2013, 12:36:31 PM »
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Quote from: Master Q on May 11, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Kirk on May 11, 2013, 12:22:08 PM
The play as appears wrong - the gain is permanent.

This ties in perfectly with another Q that came up last booster draft:

What gains are permanent and what gains aren't? Do cards such as Elijah's Mantle and Cov w/ Salt give permanent gains? If so, why?

Artifacts are ongoing gains so they are temporary. Instant gains are permanent. See this thread for official ruling.

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Re: Gibeonite Trickery (Pa)
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2013, 01:35:51 PM »
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Gib Trick is permanent. Someone may want to PM Lambo's to correct the wiki. His source probably needs corrected too.
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Re: Gibeonite Trickery (Pa)
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2013, 02:18:16 PM »
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I thought that Elijah's Mantle was temporary because it said "...while this card is in play" and Covenant with Salt was permanent because it didn't have such a clause.  Basically, all gains/decreases are permanent unless they have a qualifying clause.  Right?
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Re: Gibeonite Trickery (Pa)
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2013, 02:17:08 AM »
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Quote from: jmhartz on May 11, 2013, 02:18:16 PM
I thought that Elijah's Mantle was temporary because it said "...while this card is in play" and Covenant with Salt was permanent because it didn't have such a clause.  Basically, all gains/decreases are permanent unless they have a qualifying clause.  Right?

The rule is that instant ability increase/decreases are permanent (unless otherwise specified) and ongoing ability increase/decreases are temporary (otherwise Crown of Thorns would reactivate every turn, killing EC's within four turns).
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