Cactus Game Design Message Boards

1. Yes

2. He should remain in discard. The ability defaults to play and when it checks he's no longer there.

3. They might get SI to negate the toss because its the decrease from the opponent that's removing them but I'm not completely sure.

4. I believe limit once would reset if they card goes back to face value but I'm also not 100% sure on this one.

For #3, I am not sure why you wouldn’t be able to use YWR.

If someone used Provoked in battle and decreased a character beyond their defense, they would be discarded and opponent is still removing your last hero from battle and activate YWR.

Toss would essentially have the same effect.

Some clarifications:

#1

Magic Charms only causes SI if it removes the last hero in battle from an opponent.  If they still have a hero in battle, or if MC is used during MC's owner's attack, there's no SI.

#4

The problem with Idols of Canaan's "Limit once" restriction is that once you make a conversion, Idols of Canaan is discarded by game rule.  So no chance for reset shenanigans.

#3 - "If opponent removes your last Hero from battle" will be triggered via SA or game rule.

Does this mean YWR could be used during battle resolution when your hero is defeated by the numbers?  There's 7 steps in the REG for Battle Resolution, it seems like YWR could trigger in steps 3 and 5:

1. Add the numbers of the Enhancements in battle to the characters that used them. If this results in negative toughness for any characters, discard them.
2. Determine the outcome of the battle. Discard all characters that are being discarded based on the strength and toughness comparison. Discard all Enhancements that no longer have a character that can use them in battle.
3. Activate all effects that trigger based on the result of the battle.
4. If the battle was ever a rescue attempt and it has not already been successful, determine the result of the rescue attempt. If the battle was never a rescue attempt and only a battle challenge, determine the result of the battle challenge. Determine the result of the block.If the rescue attempt is successful, the defender surrenders a Lost Soul.
5. Activate all effects and game rules that trigger based on the success/failure of the rescue attempt, battle challenge, block, or the end of the battle.
6. If any characters that remain in battle came from another battle, they return to that battle and retain any Enhancements used by them.
7. Any warrior class characters in battle not currently equipped with a weapon class Enhancement may be equipped with an unequipped weapon class Enhancement in battle - current controller's choice. Discard all Enhancements in battle that are not placed or equipped. Any characters that remain in battle are returned to the territory of the player that has permanent control.

#4

The problem with Idols of Canaan's "Limit once" restriction is that once you make a conversion, Idols of Canaan is discarded by game rule.  So no chance for reset shenanigans.

But then any card that can grab an idol from discard can grab it and do it again. Some of them can even force them active.