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I ran across two situations in T2 where I wasn't sure if characters should receive an experience credit.

1) A banding Hero is placed in battle while Household Idols is active, so he's ignored. He bands to a non-banding Hero. A Lost Soul is rescued. Does the banding Hero get a counter?

2) The blocker uses Nebuchadnezzar's Pride to set aside all characters in battle. Does the blocking Evil Character, now in the set-aside area, receive experience credit for the successful block?

I agree with Praeceps on both counts.

If they can't get to the soul either by being ignored or through not having access, then no, they didn't rescue the soul so they don't fire the trigger or get XP.

I don't think we're all playing experience credit the same under all circumstances.

I definitely agree; there's always a small debate about whether or not BC grant Heroes XP, because people aren't absolutely clear on how it works all of the time.  We should be able to have updated rules readily available in future publications, instead of having to rely on previous editions of rulebooks (which not everyone is looking at).

Having a character without site access doesn't mean that character isn't rescuing the soul, because they are contributing their numbers to the overall offensive strength. So I would say it still gets XP, and is how I have always understood it.

That's how I was taught too. Probably because legends from your area have had a large influence on Redemption in my area.

The ignored banding Hero still contributed his ability and can have enhancements played on him. In some situations the RA might not have been possible without him. Is it that much different than a Hero without access?

I always assumed that only characters present during battle resolution get credit?  Otherwise...

- What about Seven Wicked Spirits?  If you block with it, then exchange for another character and win the battle with that character does SWS get experience?
- What about if 2 evil characters are banded, one gets converted/set aside/is discarded(and healed) by the hero and the other evil character wins the battle?  Do both get experience?
- Ambush the City...since it starts as a rescue and becomes a battle challenge, the evil characters in the first battle are successfully blocking so should get experience?

Honestly, since the situation would have rarely if ever come up before the new ignore rules, I don't know if it has ever been discussed/ruled on. So my opinion was just based on my thinking. I just thought that the way the ignore ability is worded (to treat the Hero as if it is not there in determining battle outcome) that would apply to XP. I don't really care either way, but I do agree that a better explanation of XP is warranted.

I came to the same conclusion when that scenario came up in a game with Jesse. At the time we decided the ignored Hero didn't get XP. But it does raise some questions and leaves a discussion to be had.

I think most agree that only characters present during battle resolution get credit.

When you say "present" I think "in play" but you also agreed that a set aside character gets XP. Maybe you could explain what you mean by "present"? I think that's rather important considering you play in one of the largest, most active T2 groups in the world. 

2. Using the definition of a successful block (i.e. All attacking Heroes are removed from the Field of Battle before Battle Resolution by a special ability.) I would say the blocker successfully blocked and thus gets the credit. I see nothing in the rules that says the credit can only be given to characters in play.

Experience Credit
Each time a character successfully rescues a Lost Soul or successfully blocks, the character receives a 1/1 counter. In this way a character grows stronger with experience.

I agree with Praeceps on both counts.

Quote from: Kor on October 09, 2015, 06:32:19 PM

I always assumed that only characters present during battle resolution get credit?  Otherwise...

- What about Seven Wicked Spirits?  If you block with it, then exchange for another character and win the battle with that character does SWS get experience?
- What about if 2 evil characters are banded, one gets converted/set aside/is discarded(and healed) by the hero and the other evil character wins the battle?  Do both get experience?
- Ambush the City...since it starts as a rescue and becomes a battle challenge, the evil characters in the first battle are successfully blocking so should get experience?

I think most agree that only characters present during battle resolution get credit. The question is whether an ignored character in battle is 'present' for purposes of XP credit. I would say no, but I can see a logical argument to the contrary.

I'm sorry if I was unclear, but I was more speaking towards #2. How is a set aside character present?  Present to me means 'in battle until battle resolution'.  What does it mean to you?

Hey,

Ignored characters are treated as though they were not in battle for "determining battle outcome" not for all of battle resolution.  Battle outcome is hero wins, evil character wins, stalemate or mutual destruction.  Rescuing the soul is a different part of battle resolution and the ignored character is fully in battle for that step (If the only hero in battle with access to a soul is the ignored character, the soul can still be rescued).  Thus the ignored hero still rescues the soul and gets experience credit. [At least that was the intention behind writing that part of ignore that way.]

Our definition of successful block is written from the perspective of the battle, not the perspective of the characters in battle.  I would suggest the addendum that a character successfully blocks if there is a successful block and the evil character was not defeated in the process.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly