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Interesting question... 

I would think that the answer is "no" since the only identifier known about the face-down card is that it is a male hero. The only way around that is if the term "begin" could be used after he is flipped, but that may cause issues with other combos involving Hidden Treasures. For now, "begins" would refer to the presentation of a hero, which is before a blocker is presented.

We'll have to wait for the official ruling. 

I beg to differ.  Unless the rule has been changed surreptitiously for what constitutes presenting a hero, i.e. all special abilities must complete, then you present your face-down hero, your opponent presents a blocker, and you flip your hero face-up, hero is now presented so {click} goes the trigger on Hidden Treasures.   

Present Hero
You begin a rescue attempt or battle challenge by placing a Hero in the Field of Battle. The Hero can be played from your hand or your territory. Some Heroes have a special ability printed over the picture on the card. This special ability does not become active until the Hero enters battle. Once the Hero enters battle, the special ability is activated simultaneously. The instructions on the card must be applied at that moment. If the special ability includes the word “may,” you can choose to activate the special ability or skip it for that battle. Once the Hero has entered battle and special ability completed, he has begun the battle. At this point, declare your intentions to make a rescue attempt or battle challenge.

Ambush
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Red • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set aside a male Hero (face down) from your hand for one turn. Hero returns to territory face down. Hero enters battle face down with access to any site. When opponent presents an Evil Character in battle, Hero is flipped face up. • Play As: Set aside a male Hero (face down) from your hand for one turn. Hero returns to territory face down. Hero enters battle face down with access to any site. When opponent presents an Evil Character in battle or chooses not to block, Hero is flipped face up. • Identifiers: OT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: Joshua 8:2

Hidden Treasures
Type: Artifact • Brigade: • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Once per turn, if your lone green brigade prophet begins a battle, you may play an Enhancement or discard an evil Enhancement in an opponent's deck. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Obadiah 1:6

but cards that are face down are technically out of play right?

so you couldn't have a brigade. wouldn't the battle begin when the hero is presented?

This is no different than a provisioned green prophet getting to choose the blocker prior to using Hidden Treasures.  All abilities on the hero must complete, including gained abilities.

This is no different than a provisioned green prophet getting to choose the blocker prior to using Hidden Treasures.  All abilities on the hero must complete, including gained abilities.

It's not the same, because Provisions grants an instant ability, while Ambush grants a triggered ability. Hidden Treasures is also triggered. Provisions triggers HT, but Ambush does not.

uh, why wouldnt ambush be a triggered ability?

Quote from: STAMP on December 28, 2009, 05:54:49 PM

This is no different than a provisioned green prophet getting to choose the blocker prior to using Hidden Treasures.  All abilities on the hero must complete, including gained abilities.

It's not the same, because Provisions grants an instant ability, while Ambush grants a triggered ability. Hidden Treasures is also triggered. Provisions triggers HT, but Ambush does not.

Regardless if it is triggered or not, it is a gained ability.  The hero's abilities must complete prior to Hidden Treasures triggered ability.

Hey,

Quote from: STAMP on December 28, 2009, 05:54:49 PM

This is no different than a provisioned green prophet getting to choose the blocker prior to using Hidden Treasures.  All abilities on the hero must complete, including gained abilities.

Actually, in the provisions example, Hidden Treasures triggers before the choose the blocker ability happens, but it has to wait in line to take effect and thus happens after the choose the blocker ability.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Semantics.  But you basically just stated the same thing I have been saying for the Ambush example.

All abilities on the hero must complete, including gained abilities.

That doesn't make any sense. Are you suggesting that all triggered abilities must complete before the battle begins (which is the trigger for HT)? So, Obadiah can discard a PG EC who blocked him after battle and then trigger HT?

Obadiah
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Green • Ability: 9 / 7 • Class: None • Special Ability: All Heroes in play are immune to pale green brigade. If blocked by a pale green Evil Character, discard it after the battle (regardless of immunity). • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Prophet • Verse: Obadiah 1:8 • Availability: Faith of Fathers (Set 3)

i always thought ambush was a very tricky card. it should probably just be banned.

A face-down hero is not in play and therefore is not in battle, and therefore is NOT presented. 

I beg to differ. Ambush specifies that the face-down card is a hero, and that the hero enters battle, which is the definition of presented. If there were no presentation of a hero, why would your opponent present an EC or choose not to block?

Ambush
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Red • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set aside a male Hero (face down) from your hand for one turn. Hero returns to territory face down. Hero enters battle face down with access to any site. When opponent presents an Evil Character in battle, Hero is flipped face up. • Play As: Set aside a male Hero (face down) from your hand for one turn. Hero returns to territory face down. Hero enters battle face down with access to any site. When opponent presents an Evil Character in battle or chooses not to block, Hero is flipped face up. • Identifiers: OT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: Joshua 8:2

how in the world is the hero gonna ineter battle cuz in ordor to inter batlle it has to be in play.so let's eratta or ban the 2 facedown setasides.

You cannot insert any abilities during the pause.

Are you saying that the EC's SA does not activate when he enters battle until after the "paused" Ambush ability completes? I was definitely not aware of that ruling. I'm pretty sure there are other situations where an EC's SA not activating until triggers complete (paused or otherwise) have been ruled differently.

If you could link me to said discussion threads, I would be appreciative. I'd like to understand the Ambush ruling more clearly so I don't goof up in a tournament.