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Question 1:

Peter's Curse (Di)
Type: Curse • Brigade: Black/Gray • Ability: 3 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Place on a Hero or good Fortress: Negate that card's special ability. When you play a good Dominant, discard this Curse. Cannot be negated.

Musicians' Chambers (RA)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Your Musicians may use Enhancements from here as if played from hand, regardless of brigade. • Play As: Your Musicians may use other Enhancements from here as if played from hand, regardless of brigade. Musicians' Chambers may hold any number of good Enhancements involving music. • Identifiers: Play to territory

If Musicians chambers is negate, do the enhancements
A- get discarded
B -Stay in MC and you are unable to remove them or put more in (same as Storehouse)
C - You can remove them during upkeep phase (same as putting characters out of other fortresses) you just cannot play them in battle from MC.

We sided with B but found that there seemed to be a strong argument for C because unlike Storehouse, the ability to hold cards is found in the identifier not in the SA.  So the ability to hold enhancements does not seem to be negated but the ability for musicians to play them in battle is negated


Question 2:  Can by the numbers characters negate territory class enhancements?  Not sure why this question is here if it is played in battle I am sure it can, but if it is played in territory then I am sure that it cannot.  Perhaps Jonathan Pequinot can enlighten us as to the specifics of this situation

The REG incorrectly lists MC as having a Play As where no Play As is needed.

"Holds" is an identifier and as such cannot be negated. Therefore you can still place enhancements and take enhancements off MC even if it is negated, so the answer is C.

Speaking of Storehouse, we might need to evaluate the REG entry for that also...

Because they say in battle

I think FBTN defaults to "in battle"

If something is played on a previous turn it cannot be negate, but it can be discarded.

That is not true. The placing of the enhancement cannot be negated, but the effect on the card itself is perfectly negate-able (unless of course it gives itself CBN status).

Quote from: crustpope on March 06, 2011, 03:25:50 PM

If something is played on a previous turn it cannot be negate, but it can be discarded.

That is not true. The placing of the enhancement cannot be negated, but the effect on the card itself is perfectly negate-able (unless of course it gives itself CBN status).

Browarod is correct.