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Re: 3 questions
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2013, 02:06:57 PM »
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I'm going to have to join in the confusion, since there is no way that I would have ever ruled "turn" as "round." We will need to errata Holy Grail to clarify this, and the definition of "turn" will have to be duly notated.
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Re: 3 questions
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2013, 02:16:38 PM »
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Hopefully I'll clear up the confusion as opposed to muddying the waters.

Jordan's understanding was also mine - set aside enhancements go to the set aside area until the set aside character(s) are returned, then the enhancement is discarded. That used to be the rule and it's still the way I play still it.

I was also a little confused how that was missing from the REG entry for Set Aside. I looked back and some discussions and found that the rule was removed/changed with the release of the online REG 2.0 a couple years ago. It was removed based on the fact that so many other card types now set other cards aside and we don't want Haman, the Shame Lost Soul, etc going to the set aside area with the cards they target.

So, the current rule is that set aside enhancements (or cards of any type) do not follow the card(s) they set aside to the set aside area. If any elders wish to change that I support reviving the private discussion found here.
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Re: 3 questions
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2013, 02:27:09 PM »
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I also remember this rule and have played many a game with the provisions x5 in type 2. It has always been enhancements that get set aside with the character. I was always under the impression that if the enhancment was some how removed from the character while it was set aside that the character would not recieve the gained ability?
Am I mistaken on this?
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Re: 3 questions
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2013, 05:49:15 PM »
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I would disagree...

No surprise there. You usually do. ::)

Not always :P And I just want to point to the REP and Elder posts in this thread that also show confusion ;) I don't think this situation (turn vs round on cards) was ever hammered out to a final solution that was communicated to all players (though Prof's post shows there was probably still some confusion on that side, since this is an admittedly confusing topic).

I understand the way you are describing it, I do, but I am very concerned about cards that use turn to mean literal turns, or have been ruled as such, and how this ruling may not be applied universally.  For example, Besieging the City references "turn" but it specifically says "next turn" and not "their next turn" or "this round" or anything similar.  I have always seen it ruled that it only applies to the next turn to take place, regardless of whose turn it is, and that comes into play in multiplayer.

Can we get "turn" and "round" defined, not in terms of what they are, but what they mean on cards in general, so we don't have sporadic and spread out rulings?

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Re: 3 questions
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2013, 12:29:28 AM »
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So, the current rule is that set aside enhancements (or cards of any type) do not follow the card(s) they set aside to the set aside area. If any elders wish to change that I support reviving the private discussion found here.

Somehow I missed this part of your post last time around, can we have that added to the Rules Changes threads so that it doesn't get lost in these kinds of threads in the future?  If that will indeed be the new rule, especially with tournament season now, it would be helpful :)

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Re: 3 questions
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2013, 12:36:47 AM »
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Even though people are just now becoming aware of it, this is not a new change. It was made way back when the web based REG 2.0 was released. That was at least 2, maybe 3 years ago.

I somewhat expect(ed) some of the other elders to want to change this back to the old way, but so far none have.
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Re: 3 questions
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2013, 12:40:05 AM »
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Even though people are just now becoming aware of it, this is not a new change. It was made way back when the web based REG 2.0 was released. That was at least 2, maybe 3 years ago.

I understand that, but it is still being ruled the other way (on and off the boards), and I don't think most REPs noticed that something was missing in the REG 2.0.  See this thread on a sample game that was played, for instance.

Removing something from the REG does not seem to be enough to communicate to most of us that there was any change in the rules ;)  I know that every tournament I have been to and every thread I've seen has ruled it the old way, which is why I asked for the addition to the Rules Change thread.

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Re: 3 questions
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2013, 12:45:36 AM »
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Hopefully I'll clear up the confusion as opposed to muddying the waters.

Jordan's understanding was also mine - set aside enhancements go to the set aside area until the set aside character(s) are returned, then the enhancement is discarded. That used to be the rule and it's still the way I play still it.

I was also a little confused how that was missing from the REG entry for Set Aside. I looked back and some discussions and found that the rule was removed/changed with the release of the online REG 2.0 a couple years ago. It was removed based on the fact that so many other card types now set other cards aside and we don't want Haman, the Shame Lost Soul, etc going to the set aside area with the cards they target.

So, the current rule is that set aside enhancements (or cards of any type) do not follow the card(s) they set aside to the set aside area. If any elders wish to change that I support reviving the private discussion found here.
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