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Quote from: Knoxyouthpastor on January 09, 2014, 08:31:14 PM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 09, 2014, 05:48:33 PM

I don't think that'll happen.  I regularly let my opponents check their discard piles in fun games and it never takes much time at all.  In fact, they probably play faster because they don't have to debate with themselves mentally about whether their card that they want is in their discard pile or not

Even in a tournament againt us down here...

Yep, I like to let opponent's take stuff back (even in tournaments).  Of course I lost a game at Nats that way which cost me making the top-cut, but I just enjoy the game more when whoever wins defeats the best that the other player has to play.  I don't want to win or lose because someone got an absolutely terrible draw, or made a silly mistake in the spur of the moment, or forgot what was in their discard pile.  To me, that is a somewhat hollow victory or defeat.  I want to see what happens when the best of what I've got goes up against the best of what they've got.  That to me is a fun game.

But I also see that this is really coming down to personal taste.  Some people value the memory dimension of Redemption, and other people don't really see that as being important.  Given that the sides seem to be about even, it's probably best to maintain the status quo.

Thanks Mark. I'll remember that when you misplay the next time we play. Wait...do you ever misplay  ?

I really don't believe the rule adds enough to the game to justify not fixing a situation where accidental cheating can and does occur

Pretty much nailed it. The reason the big CCG's allow discard piles as open knowledge is because the reverse just does not add enough strategic value towards the game. Let's not try to tout a 'skill' at memorizing your discard pile as any huge accomplishment, it adds almost zero to the game. Even below average players are able to have memories slightly better than a goldfish, and you only force the misplay from players that just don't know the rule.

I agree with YMT on this one.

We have 3 camps:
   1. "I am very much for this!  DO EET!"
   2. "I think this has merit, but it really isn't that important."
   3. "DO NOT DO THIS IT IS AWFUL!"

1 and 3 have been going at it the whole thread, and we will never see eye-to-eye.  That's fine.  But most of those with the power to change this fall in 2, and so with all the disagreement, I doubt it will go anywhere.

Regardless, all the points that can be made really have been made, and if the Elders want to act, they have more than enough to go on.  So, it is time for this thread to sleep.  Good night.