Author Topic: Questions about certain rules and cards (Read 16969 times)

Drrek · « **Reply #100 on:** November 20, 2013, 01:55:12 PM »

Quote from: browarod on November 20, 2013, 01:39:37 PM

5. Unless the Hero has a pending ability to play an enhancement, such as with Angel's Sword ("If blocked by a human Evil Character, Hero may play the first enhancement."), you would be able to use Herod's Dungeon before initiative passes.

If herod's dungeon would remove the last hero they have in battle, however, they get special initiative to interrupt herod's dungeon.

redemption collector 777 · « **Reply #101 on:** November 20, 2013, 02:07:43 PM »

if this might be the case with Herod's dungeon , how could the hero interrupt Herod's dungeon?

Drrek · « **Reply #102 on:** November 20, 2013, 02:19:46 PM »

Quote from: redemption collector 777 on November 20, 2013, 02:07:43 PM

if this might be the case with Herod's dungeon , how could the hero interrupt Herod's dungeon?

They would interrupt it with a card like Foreign Sword or Joseph before Pharaoh.

redemption collector 777 · « **Reply #103 on:** November 20, 2013, 02:33:27 PM »

If the Redemption Exegetical Guide says

The phrase “interrupt the battle” includes interrupting the following:
all active ongoing abilities
abilities that are defeating one of the characters you control in battle

Could a hero also use any cards that would "interrupt the battle" Would Herod's Dungeon be considered an ongoing SA?

Like using Striking Herod or play Words of or Reach , then play a discard SA to somehow discard the blocker , so the dungeon SA will not take effect?

2. If protect is considered an ongoing ability , if an EC plays enhancement that interrupts the battle and discards a hero , could they target a hero in the opponent's Goshen fortress?

Drrek · « **Reply #104 on:** November 20, 2013, 02:46:40 PM »

Capture is an instant ability, so no, interrupt the battle does not interrupt Herod's dungeon.

redemption collector 777 · « **Reply #105 on:** November 20, 2013, 04:02:57 PM »

1.Could Destruction of Nehushtan target a curse in play?

2. if there are 5 EC in a territory with 3 crimson and 2 brown , and an opponent plays a card that says " for each evil brigade that opponent has in play" would it be 2 since there are only 2 different colors in their territory?

3. Could an enhancement that interrupts the battle and discards a hero , target a hero in a opponents Goshen fortress? since protect abilities are ongoing?

Nameless · « **Reply #106 on:** November 20, 2013, 05:08:49 PM »

1. Yes, in the artifact pile they are treated like arts.

2. Yes, since there are two brigades in territory.

browarod · « **Reply #107 on:** November 20, 2013, 05:28:43 PM »

Nameless is correct on 1 and 2.

3. See below.

Quote from: Drrek on November 20, 2013, 02:46:40 PM

Capture is an instant ability, so no, interrupt the battle does not interrupt Herod's dungeon.

Drrek is correct that ItB cannot interrupt Herod's Dungeon, but not because capture is an instant ability. Interrupt the battle can only do what its name says, interrupt things in battle so that's why you cannot use an ItB to get around Herod's Dungeon (or Goshen for question 3.).

Drrek · « **Reply #108 on:** November 20, 2013, 06:38:09 PM »

Quote from: browarod on November 20, 2013, 05:28:43 PM

Nameless is correct on 1 and 2.

3. See below.

Quote from: Drrek on November 20, 2013, 02:46:40 PM
Capture is an instant ability, so no, interrupt the battle does not interrupt Herod's dungeon.
Drrek is correct that ItB cannot interrupt Herod's Dungeon, but not because capture is an instant ability. Interrupt the battle can only do what its name says, interrupt things in battle so that's why you cannot use an ItB to get around Herod's Dungeon (or Goshen for question 3.).

Well I was more answering in response to his "is it an ongoing ability?" question, but yes that is correct, it cannot even try to interrupt it as an ongoing ability because it is not in battle.

redemption collector 777 · « **Reply #109 on:** December 01, 2013, 06:09:26 PM »

1. If hero is blocked by EC Egyptian horsemen SA: draw 1 or discard 1 card from opponent's draw pile , then hero plays enhancement that causes a side battle and chooses Egyptain Horsemen and another EC to fight , does the SA on E horsemen activate again?

2. If a enhancement card with a SA that says discard all cards in battle including yours (Like deceit of Sapphira) was played in a side battle , does the discard all ability also target all characters that are from the original RA or battle challenge?

3. If a hero with 3/3 is blocked by an EC with Abner's Spear SA: Holder may discard abner's spear to discard a male hero in battle with abilities of /4 or less.
Then the the EC discards it to target the hero in battle. Even though the card causing the discard (abners spear) on the hero is not in battle by the time it is discarded does the Hero still get special initiative to negate or interrupt it?

4 If hero Ethan SA: Search discard pile for a good enhancement involving music and add it to hand ( picks up magnificat from discard pile) and then plays it in battle SA : Negate SA on characters. Does the played card go back to the discard pile?

5. If a character gains a set aside ability (Like gathering of angels) then gets discarded , shuffled or returned to hand ,does the set aside gained SA stay on the hero?

Praeceps · « **Reply #110 on:** December 01, 2013, 06:25:51 PM »

Quote from: redemption collector 777 on December 01, 2013, 06:09:26 PM

1. If hero is blocked by EC Egyptian horsemen SA: draw 1 or discard 1 card from opponent's draw pile , then hero plays enhancement that causes a side battle and chooses Egyptain Horsemen and another EC to fight , does the SA on E horsemen activate again?I believe so, yes

2. If a enhancement card with a SA that says discard all cards in battle including yours (Like deceit of Sapphira) was played in a side battle , does the discard all ability also target all characters that are from the original RA or battle challenge? Only if the ability specifies "all cards in the field of battle" otherwise it defaults to the side battle

3. If a hero with 3/3 is blocked by an EC with Abner's Spear SA: Holder may discard abner's spear to discard a male hero in battle with abilities of /4 or less.
Then the the EC discards it to target the hero in battle. Even though the card causing the discard (abners spear) on the hero is not in battle by the time it is discarded does the Hero still get special initiative to negate or interrupt it? Yes

4 If hero Ethan SA: Search discard pile for a good enhancement involving music and add it to hand ( picks up magnificat from discard pile) and then plays it in battle SA : Negate SA on characters. Does the played card go back to the discard pile? Yes, but the characters' abilities remain negated

5. If a character gains a set aside ability (Like gathering of angels) then gets discarded , shuffled or returned to hand ,does the set aside gained SA stay on the hero?
No, the character reverts to face value

galadgawyn · « **Reply #111 on:** December 02, 2013, 05:46:43 AM »

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1. If hero is blocked by EC Egyptian horsemen SA: draw 1 or discard 1 card from opponent's draw pile , then hero plays enhancement that causes a side battle and chooses Egyptain Horsemen and another EC to fight , does the SA on E horsemen activate again?I believe so, yes

No. Character abilities only activate once when they are first placed in battle.

redemption collector 777 · « **Reply #112 on:** December 02, 2013, 05:20:53 PM »

Quote from: Praeceps on December 01, 2013, 06:25:51 PM

Quote from: redemption collector 777 on December 01, 2013, 06:09:26 PM

4 If hero Ethan SA: Search discard pile for a good enhancement involving music and add it to hand ( picks up magnificat from discard pile) and then plays it in battle SA : Negate SA on characters. Does the played card go back to the discard pile? Yes, but the characters' abilities remain negated

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Following up with the question so if the Magificat card is not the field of battle the second part of the SA does not take effect? SA: if used by a N.T female or Musician set a side an EC in battle for 2 turns.

browarod · « **Reply #113 on:** December 02, 2013, 05:52:13 PM »

That's correct. The reason that the character negation remains is to prevent infinite loops (Magnificat negates Ethan so it goes back to the discard pile but then Ethan is no longer being negated and gets Magnificat which negates Ethan, etc.).

redemption collector 777 · « **Reply #114 on:** December 04, 2013, 07:21:40 PM »

1.Even though the Promo card Authority of Christ has no verse on it (and the older one from the limited card set does have a Matthew reference on it)

Can Matthew (purple) part of SA: search discard pile for a good enhancement with a Matthew reference and place it beneath deck. still target the promo version?

2. If a player places Image of Jealousy (texp) (SA: Place on a Hero negate SA on that card) during preparation phase and places it on opponents Michael hero(SA :enhancements CBN) in a territory , when opponent's Michael enters battle , is his SA negated? and his enhancements now do not have CBN status?

3. What does the " except by a hero with matching brigade" mean?

Philetus SA: Search opponent's discard pile for a good card and remove it from the game to protect N.T Lost souls from rescue (except by a hero with matching brigade).

Does it mean if the player removes a red brigade hero from opponents discard pile and the rescuing hero is red brigade the N.T Lost Souls are not protected from rescue?

4. Would a hero and EC in battle return to territory if they both are able to defeat each other by the numbers and have First Strike and can not play anymore enhancements or move the battle away from mutual destruction state?

Redoubter · « **Reply #115 on:** December 04, 2013, 09:02:45 PM »

1. No. It is a NT enhancement, but it has no verse. Unless one is printed on the card, there is no verse book (this is the case with promos most of the time).

2. No. Anything that is CBN is CBN, period. It cannot be negated, no matter what. Same is true for abilities that grant CB- status to other cards, those abilities are always CBN. So in this case, Michael is CBN, and his enhancements are CBN, and it was silly to place on him

3. It means they are protected from rescue by any hero without a matching brigade to the removed card, yes, so your example is essentially correct.

4. No. First strike only means you don't get discarded in otherwise normal mutual destruction, but in this case, since they both have it, they would both be discarded if each strength is greater than the other's toughness. Initiative will pass as normal for playing cards, and in resolution they would both be discarded if the numbers situation stays the same.

browarod · « **Reply #116 on:** December 05, 2013, 11:28:28 AM »

Quote from: Redoubter on December 04, 2013, 09:02:45 PM

4. No. First strike only means you don't get discarded in otherwise normal mutual destruction, but in this case, since they both have it, they would both be discarded if each strength is greater than the other's toughness. Initiative will pass as normal for playing cards, and in resolution they would both be discarded if the numbers situation stays the same.

I don't think this is correct. In cases of mutual first strike, whichever character had first strike first takes precedence and would survive while the other character is discarded as normal.

redemption collector 777 · « **Reply #117 on:** December 05, 2013, 01:03:47 PM »

1. If I put Moses (negate all characters and enhancements) in the field of Battle does the SA only affect the characters and enhancements in battle

or does it negate all "While in play" SA on Heroes and EC SA in players territories and territory class enhancements that remain in play?

Like Death and Hades , Simon the Zealot , Aaron , Lifting the Curse, Large tree , set aside etc?

browarod · « **Reply #118 on:** December 05, 2013, 01:53:35 PM »

I believe he would negate all of those (since he doesn't specify "in battle"). Note, though, that for Large Tree it wouldn't undo the increases that the King has received (those are CBN since they are instant abilities that completed in a previous phase), just the cannot be ignored portion.

yirgogo · « **Reply #119 on:** December 05, 2013, 03:56:39 PM »

Quote from: browarod on December 05, 2013, 01:53:35 PM

I believe he would negate all of those (since he doesn't specify "in battle"). Note, though, that for Large Tree it wouldn't undo the increases that the King has received (those are CBN since they are instant abilities that completed in a previous phase), just the cannot be ignored portion.

The RTC says that abilities gained from set aside cannot be negated. I'm not saying which one is wrong, I'm just wondering which one is right.

browarod · « **Reply #120 on:** December 05, 2013, 04:53:15 PM »

That is correct, but none of the cards listed in RC777's question were set aside cards so I'm not sure how it's relevant, lol. Moses cannot and would not negate gained abilities.

Praeceps · « **Reply #121 on:** December 05, 2013, 05:21:17 PM »

Quote from: browarod on December 05, 2013, 04:53:15 PM

That is correct, but none of the cards listed in RC777's question were set aside cards so I'm not sure how it's relevant, lol. Moses cannot and would not negate gained abilities.

It was the last item in his list before the etc and after his specific examples. Easy enough to miss.

Quote from: redemption collector 777 on December 05, 2013, 01:03:47 PM

Like Death and Hades , Simon the Zealot , Aaron , Lifting the Curse, Large tree , set aside etc?

browarod · « **Reply #122 on:** December 05, 2013, 05:29:18 PM »

Ah, then you are correct, my mistake.

redemption collector 777 · « **Reply #123 on:** December 05, 2013, 05:44:41 PM »

1.So on the large tree would the " search deck for a site" part of it also be negated by Moses? Would it be negated for the rest of the game or just the current players turn or phase it is played?

2. Would Simon the Zealot have to re enter battle again to activate while in play ability if it was negated by Moses? or is it only negated that certain phase or turn Moses was put in battle?

3. If Lifting the Curse SA: place in territory at anytime you may discard this... was negated in a territory by Moses , does the SA on it come back by next turn?

Nameless · « **Reply #124 on:** December 05, 2013, 05:51:21 PM »

1. If your opponent plays Large Tree in the battle, yes it would be negated.

2. You he would have to be reactivated.

3. Moses does not negate enhancements out of battle. If it was played in the battle in would not even be placed.

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