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Thanks for clarifying this. Can Peter (EC) play Gam's Speech while Covenant with Death is active in territory?
To elaborate, any ability that grants another card "Cannot Be ----" status is itself cannot be negated.Not the whole card, just that component when it doesn't specify the whole card is as well.
About it being too overpowered, it's been this way for essentially forever. As such, all the cards are designed with this in mind. A rule is only as powerful add the card the uses it. And by now, there's ways around cannot be negated, such as instead.
The reason you find it more often on the good side is because as a Christian game, Rescuing LSs is a very good thing. Ever since Redemption was created, good has had the edge.
As mentioned, there are a lot of paradoxes that have to be resolved with a rule like this.Let me give you an example. Joseph is blocked by Balaam. Joseph has initiative, and plays Reuben's Torn Clothes to ignore Pale Green. The blocker uses Unknown Nation to bring in Complainers.Well...are Genesis Heroes still ignoring Pale Green? Complainers negated Joseph, which should negate his CBN-conferring status, right? And Balaam prevents enhancements, so should that have been prevented at that time?What if we had played more cards that should have affected Balaam or Joseph, but they didn't work previously because of the immunity from ignore...do we go back and suddenly change those too?That rule was put in for much the same reason abilities cannot cascade-negate themselves. You have paradoxes, impossible situations, or infinite loops. I cannot imagine this rule being revisited.
To elaborate, any ability that grants another card "Cannot Be ----" status is itself cannot be negated.
I thought it was just the "Cannot be interrupted/prevented/negated" that were inherently CBN. Are "Cannot be ignored" abilities CBN as well?
They still cannot be negated. Cannot be negated/prevented/interrupted abilities are inherently cannot be negated. Even though they don't specifically say that they themselves cannot be negated, because their ability is a "cannot be negated" ability, it can't be negated. Simplistically, any card that says "cannot be negated" (or interrupted or prevented) makes whatever card it targets cannot be negated, no matter what.
Quote from: kram1138 on April 12, 2015, 01:18:41 AMThey still cannot be negated. Cannot be negated/prevented/interrupted abilities are inherently cannot be negated. Even though they don't specifically say that they themselves cannot be negated, because their ability is a "cannot be negated" ability, it can't be negated. Simplistically, any card that says "cannot be negated" (or interrupted or prevented) makes whatever card it targets cannot be negated, no matter what.Clarification, (From the reg), When a sentence in a special ability includes a cannot be negated ability and does not specify what abilities the cannot be negated ability targets, it targets all abilities on the card that appear before the sentence containing the cannot be negated ability.I am confused. The characters that say enhancements cannot be negated specify a target. meaning they are not the target of the cannot be negated ability ergo they can be negated. If the ability then is negated then the other cards never gained the cbn identifier. I really need this sorted out because you guy are screwing up a major function of the game.
1.But isn't giving something CBN just because it is giving something else CBN an paradox in itself. It also make the cards too powerful. I thought that was why they were not give the CBN identifier. They cards become too powerful if they are CBN just because they make something else CBN. Also, 2.I was reading the clarification from the REG which you guys are adding words to. And by redouter definition, he is saying it is not a CBN ability because it gives another card CBN. This is a major paradox.
No where in the REG does it say this.
Cannot be negated: Cannot be negated includes both of the above. These abilties cannot be prevented beforehand, and cannot be interrupted or negated after being played. For example, Job’s Wife can negate Elizabeth’s protection from capture, and then a player could use Unholy Writ to capture Elizabeth. But Job’s Wife’s special ability does not negate Thomas’ special ability because it is a “cannot be negated” special ability. If a card states that it cannot be negated, then it cannot be interrupted, prevented, redirected, or negated.
All enhancements played on Thomas may not be interrupted, prevented, or negated.
But the one I quoted was from the section of the reg on CBN. That section never says that a card that grants another card CBN gets CBN also. No where in the REG does it say this. This is an assumption until it gets fixed. It says just as I stated that the only time the card gets CBN is when the CBN ability does not have a target. I just think that if it plays the way you guys are dictating it should play, the REG should reflect this but it does not. Time to update the REG or update your the thinking but I will tell you this. Just because you have always played it like this doesn't make it the right way to play it. The elders really need to rethink this. Everything i quoted was verbatim.
