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If the cost is payed on the "Discarder LS", forcing a player to discard a good card, can they choose to discard a face down Covenant in their Artifact pile since their Artifact pile is technically in their territory?

Lost Soul Psalms 119:150 (‘Discarder’)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you draw this card, you may discard an evil card from your territory to make an opponent discard a good card from hand or territory. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Psalms 119:150

I don't think you can target face down cards period. They aren't considered "in play," right? At least that's what I have gathered.

BTW, while we're on this general topic, was it ruled that ANB could or could not shuffle artifact piles?

Based on the way the other argument about face down cards is going, I don't think you can target a face down covenant as a "good" card.

Sorry, I stopped reading that thread after the second page so I just went back and re-read it.  Thanks for pointing me back there, Aggie.  According to Schaef's position (although he did say to get a second opinion) it seems like you can discard a Covenant that's face down in your Artifact Pile.

ANB target all cards in the "Field of Play".  Field of Play is a location, and face-down cards still reside in a location.  The default state of "in play" is more like a condition, the same way "in battle" is a status for the cards engaged in the current battle only, while "Field of Battle" targets all cards in that location.

Since the Artifact Pile is a location that resides in your territory, and a Covenant or Curse keeps it's allignment in the Artifact Pile I would think that discarding a face down Covenant to satisfy the "FOOF Discarder LS" would be a legal play.