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Teal site + Solomon's Temple
« on: July 02, 2013, 11:44:53 PM »
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Can I discard a teal site to Solomons Temple?
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Re: Teal site + Solomon's Temple
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2013, 11:47:21 PM »
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Can I discard a teal site to Solomons Temple?

No.  Sites and dominants have no brigades (and Sites don't have alignment either, being neutral).

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Re: Teal site + Solomon's Temple
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2013, 11:55:29 PM »
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This is the way Lackey gave it to me. All hail the power of Lackey!

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Re: Teal site + Solomon's Temple
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2013, 12:05:04 AM »
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http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/did-i-make-the-right-call/

Is this post an outdated ruling?

I would say yes it is outdated, or at least needs to be updated.  First, this from the new REG still exists:

Quote from: REG 2.0
Brigade
The Heroes and Evil Characters are subdivided into brigades. The color filling the card’s icon box indicates its brigade. See Anatomy of a Card.
The Hero brigades are as follows:
 Blue, Gold, Green, Purple, Red, Silver, Teal, and White.
The Evil Character brigades are as follows:
 Black, Brown, Crimson, Gold, Gray, Orange, and Pale Green.

, which seems to indicate that only heroes and EC have brigades.  But, the relevant section of the ruling quoted in that thread:

From the REG entry of Brigade
The Heroes and Evil Characters are subdivided into brigades. The color filling the card’s icon box indicates its brigade.

But from the REG entry of access:
1.  the Hero’s icon box contains a matching brigade color in the icon box of the site
2.  An unoccupied site is placed in battle with the Hero and the icon box on the unoccupied site contains a matching brigade color in the icon box of the occupied site.

The entry for Brigade suggest sites don't have brigades, but the entry for site access it suggests they do have brigades and they are the same as the heroes brigades, but since they always refer to the Brigade Color on sites rather than just brigade they could be considered separate, and that would make the two entries consistent.

is no longer present in any rulebook available or the REG.  The rulebook says there is an expanded rulebook coming out, so it will depend on the wording in that document.

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Re: Teal site + Solomon's Temple
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2013, 12:10:38 AM »
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I would think that it does work because a) most people agreed on that other thread which I haven't seen anything about being reversed and b) sites still have brigades, even if they're not 'good' brigades they are still brigades. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure that there are cards that reference certain brigade sites which would lead me to conclude that sites still have brigades.

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Re: Teal site + Solomon's Temple
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2013, 12:15:12 AM »
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I would think that it does work because a) most people agreed on that other thread which I haven't seen anything about being reversed and b) sites still have brigades, even if they're not 'good' brigades they are still brigades. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure that there are cards that reference certain brigade sites which would lead me to conclude that sites still have brigades.

I agree after reading that thread through, but we do need an update based on the wording of the Expanded Rulebook, when that comes out.  Right now, we don't have all of the rules, unfortunately, and as some other things changed in the translation (or were added that were previously "the unwritten rule"), we just need to make sure it is still the same.

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Re: Teal site + Solomon's Temple
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2013, 11:35:45 AM »
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I would think that it does work because a) most people agreed on that other thread which I haven't seen anything about being reversed and b) sites still have brigades, even if they're not 'good' brigades they are still brigades. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure that there are cards that reference certain brigade sites which would lead me to conclude that sites still have brigades.

I agree after reading that thread through, but we do need an update based on the wording of the Expanded Rulebook, when that comes out.  Right now, we don't have all of the rules, unfortunately, and as some other things changed in the translation (or were added that were previously "the unwritten rule"), we just need to make sure it is still the same.

Just an FYI (because I keep seeing this come up) the "Expanded Rulebook" will just be an updated version of the 10th Anniversary rules, that includes information about all the other card types that aren't included in the I/J starters. Anything that is in the 10th Anniversary rules that hasn't been changed by the 4th Edition rulebook, the REG, or an official posting here, is still official.

As for the original question, it doesn't matter whether or not the previous thread is outdated or not (it isn't, but I digress); a Teal Site is definitely a Teal card (which is all ST requires). Christian Soldier's point that the REG defines brigades by Heroes and ECs isn't quite valid, as it is plenty clear that Enhancements also have brigades. The reason only characters are listed is because they are the primary function of brigades (if they didn't have brigades, Enhancements and Sites wouldn't need them either).

It is still very true that Heroes, Good Enhancements, and Covenants all have Good Brigades; ECs, EEs, and Curses all have Evil Brigades; DAEs (and Abijam) have Good and Evil Brigades; Sites have Neutral Brigades; and every other card type have no Brigades.
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Re: Teal site + Solomon's Temple
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2013, 03:39:15 PM »
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Thanks for clearing that up Prof, I have been wondering what that mysterious rulebook was going to be ;)

 


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