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The converted character loses all abilities that:-target a hero-allow them to play an evil enhancementWaS won't work, as she says "When blocking"
If an Evil Character is converted to a Hero, it’s special ability works as long as it does not harm Heroes (e.g., the special ability of Otho does not work as a Hero because it would be discarding himself, a Hero). Game rules are still operative (e.g., Heroes may not use evil enhancements or band to Evil Characters).
Korunks is correct. The REG sums it up very nicely.Quote from: REG If an Evil Character is converted to a Hero, it’s special ability works as long as it does not harm Heroes (e.g., the special ability of Otho does not work as a Hero because it would be discarding himself, a Hero). Game rules are still operative (e.g., Heroes may not use evil enhancements or band to Evil Characters).
HarmSee Negative Effect
Negative EffectA negative effect is any effect from cards not of the same alignment (i.e., good, evil, or neutral) targeting a character.
It doesn't contradict itself if you interpret it correctly. It should probably be changed because I know more than one player has been confused by the way it's worded. The "harm" or "negative effect" is talking about the ability prior to conversion. Before the EC is converted does it harm a Hero? Yes = ability doesn't convert. No = it does convert.
Quote from: Gabe on July 11, 2011, 10:26:12 AMIt doesn't contradict itself if you interpret it correctly. It should probably be changed because I know more than one player has been confused by the way it's worded. The "harm" or "negative effect" is talking about the ability prior to conversion. Before the EC is converted does it harm a Hero? Yes = ability doesn't convert. No = it does convert.Really? To make it clear to me, can we look at a simple example...I have Sapphira. As an EC, does her by the numbers SA harm a hero? By the definition of "harm" it certainly does. We have always played that BTN abilities convert, however. Are you saying that Sapphira's SA does not convert?I would have no real complaints with that--and it would be consistent. What it would mean, however, is that the vast majority of evil SAs would not convert. This would be a huge change to how I (and I believe most others) have ruled this in the past.
Now what if an Evil Characters ability "harms" a captured hero does it convert? I.E. can a converted Salome discard a captured hero?
Just out of curiosity, are there any special abilities that target, but do not harm, a card of the opposite alignment?
Look this seemed pretty cut and dry to me. If a characters special ability targets hero's then it doesn't convert. If it can target anything then it doesn't. You guys are looking at harm the wrong way. Take the Sapphira example. yes, when she's an evil character her special ability harms heroes in the sense that it negates their special abilities. But that is only because at the time she is in battle with a hero. If she is converted, she is no longer fighting against heroes, so her ability does not harm them. Simple breakdown that may later be overruled, but for now its a good guideline.Does the special ability specifically target hereos? (i.e. capture a hero)Yes: Then it doesn't work when they are converted.No: Then it's still in effect
Side question: If I convert both Ananias and Sapphria, can they still band?
If Ananias is converted before Sapphira, wouldn't it violate your "impossible situation" clause? Does that magically get undone if Sapphira is converted later?
Sapphira's ability doesn't target characters, it only targets abilities. If I/P/N abilities targeted cards, and not just their abilities, then Benedictus couldn't negate Caesarea Phillipi. So Sapphira doesn't harm heroes.
I should clarify that all EC's that have SAs keep their SAs when converted.
A few guidelines that I use when determining if an ability converts:Does the ability say if blocking? If yes, then the ability doesn't convert, if no, then go to next question.Does the ability cause an impossible situation, like a Hero banding to an Evil Character or playing an Evil Enhancement? If yes, then the ability doesn't convert, if no then go on to next question.Is there any Hero in the game whose special ability can do exactly what the converted EC would be able to do? If yes, then the ability does convert, if not go on to next question.Does the ability target characters at all? If no, then the ability does convert, if yes, go to the next question.Would the converted ability allow for the discard, capture, removal from the game, shuffle, withdraw, ignore, or set-aside of a Hero, or would it cause a side battle involving two Heroes? If yes, then the ability doesn't convert, if no, then it does. Following these guidelines will make you correct at least 98.7% of the time. The rest of the time you might have to make a judgment call.In your example, Saph can't band to Ittai, because his ability actually says WC Philly EC. However, Ananias can band to Sapphira if they are both converted.
what if a hero is holding a weapon and is "corrupted"? does the weapons ability convert?
