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I don't think immune should target. That's a pretty stupid rule. I hope that can be changed.

Quote from: lightningninja on September 30, 2010, 08:10:29 PM

I don't think immune should target. That's a pretty stupid rule. I hope that can be changed.

I think it's a good ruling. Sure, it makes Protection a little OP, but I'd rather have a way around Immunity-based characters (Red Dragon and Angel in the Path), IMO.

Perhaps, depending on what happens. I can't stand when everyone uses the same stuff. If I get 50% of my opponents using Thaddeus, I'm gonna be angry. 

i would think confusion of mind would make a comeback before satans seat ever sees heavy play.

i favor overall potential versus the limited scope of satans seat. if they're not playing thad, its essentially a wasted card slot.

watchful servant was dead on arrival. gabriel is overshadowed by his previous versions while gic by writ and charms. im still convinced job is a novelty strat. fbtn/b, gen/hand d, purple royalty, prophets, and ztemple also use none of those cards.

Priests have Abiathar too.

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fbtn/b, gen/hand d, purple royalty, prophets, and ztemple

If you're using Herods and facing FbtN(B), you can afford a dead card or ten. Genesis has Job. Purple royalty is just awful. Prophets have Anna. Z-Temple is bad, but Priests have Phinehas and Ahimaaz. Problem?

job breaks the synergy of gen/hand d decks. purple royalty is pretty amazing when paired with infinite zeal recursion. nice catch on anna, but good luck with caves. good catch on phin, but ahimaaz and abiathar are not ztemple (specifically why i didnt say priests). regardless, none of the strats i named uses any of the cards you listed, which i thought was the entire point. 'good' is completely subjective, but that doesnt distract from the fact these strats have proven themselves in high calibur tournaments at one point or another.

Quote from: Master KChief on October 01, 2010, 04:17:50 PM

watchful servant was dead on arrival

I would like to vehemently disagree with that. That is all.

Yep. Read my avatar, I think it's the most broken card Redemption has ever made. What, Golgotha, by itself, is gonna stop it? No way.

Quote from: Professoralstad on October 01, 2010, 06:03:44 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on October 01, 2010, 04:17:50 PM

watchful servant was dead on arrival

I would like to vehemently disagree with that. That is all.

Yep. Read my avatar, I think it's the most broken card Redemption has ever made. What, Golgotha, by itself, is gonna stop it? No way.

ANB. TGT.

oh, and Golgotha + CP will stop it by itself.

watchful servant isnt even close to broken. i'll leave it at that.

watchful servant isnt even close to broken. i'll leave it at that.

I agree with that. But neither was Zebulun, yet he still won a lot of games all by himself. I think it's really up to people to use him correctly. I don't disagree that he's not broken, but I do disagree with dead on arrival.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on October 01, 2010, 05:03:35 PM

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fbtn/b, gen/hand d, purple royalty, prophets, and ztemple

If you're using Herods and facing FbtN(B), you can afford a dead card or ten. Genesis has Job. Purple royalty is just awful. Prophets have Anna. Z-Temple is bad, but Priests have Phinehas and Ahimaaz. Problem?

job breaks the synergy of gen/hand d decks. purple royalty is pretty amazing when paired with infinite zeal recursion. nice catch on anna, but good luck with caves. good catch on phin, but ahimaaz and abiathar are not ztemple (specifically why i didnt say priests). regardless, none of the strats i named uses any of the cards you listed, which i thought was the entire point. 'good' is completely subjective, but that doesnt distract from the fact these strats have proven themselves in high calibur tournaments at one point or another.

I don't care about offenses that aren't good. My argument is that Stan's Chair is a counter, not a check, because it works against a large number of good offenses. You could just as easily say "NT Blue doesn't have any Protect Heroes lololol." Just because a strategy was good in the past doesn't mean it's good now. Or should I bust out a Purple offense with 6/6 characters and The Vineyard to bulk them up?

To reiterate:
The old Genesis/Romans hand discard model is outdated and bad. A good "Genesis" offense now should include Job and be paired with a faster defense than Romans.

Purple Royalty is near useless on it's own (thanks Golgotha!), and Zeal has been severely neutered (thanks, HT!)

I'll give you that Anna is a little redundant with Caves, but the fact remains there's a Hero in a Prophets offense that will be affected by Stan's Chair.

Z-Temple is not good any more. You need to do Teal or lose (thanks HT!).

So yes, you're correct that the specific strats you listed don't use Heroes that would be affected by Stan's chair (except for the fact that you admitted you missed Phinehas and Anna and then said this:)

none of the strats i named uses any of the cards you listed, which i thought was the entire point

But...those are either post-Apostles strats that are outdated or are so very well taken care of by Herods that using Stan's Chair with a Herod's defense is one of like a bunch of dead cards you can afford to have. Even then, it's not totally dead: at the very worst, this card is a Thirty Pieces of Silver that only works if you actually give up a soul, can be used up to four times (normally), and doesn't take up your Art slot.