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... theres no 7 offense gold enhancement with no SA.

... theres no 7 offense gold enhancement with no SA.

Your right. It's 28. I can't remember the proper numbers, my bad. Though it does have an SA

Hey,

In case there's any remaining confusion about the original question.  Red Dragon's immunity does not target Thaddeus.  Red Dragon's immunity does target Red Dragon.  Thaddeus protect Red Dragon from Red Dragon, so Red Dragon cannot target Red Dragon with Red Dragon's immune ability.   Thus the immune ability would not work; not because Thaddeus is protected from it, but because Thaddeus protects the evil character from it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Another question:

If i use Bulletproof Samson (nonpromo for this example), and my opponent blocks with Abimelech, is Samson protected from ignore?

The moral of the story: Satan's Seat is actually useful now 

Which means so are the sites that protect Evil Cards from Dragon Raid...

Another question:

If i use Bulletproof Samson (nonpromo for this example), and my opponent blocks with Abimelech, is Samson protected from ignore?

Yes and no. He can't be ignored in the sense that Abimelech is winning outright, giving Samson initiative. But Abimelech still gets the part of ignore that protects him from Samson. So it's a stalemate, where neither can affect the other, unless Samson interrupts the ignore.

Hey,

In case there's any remaining confusion about the original question.  Red Dragon's immunity does not target Thaddeus.  Red Dragon's immunity does target Red Dragon.  Thaddeus protect Red Dragon from Red Dragon, so Red Dragon cannot target Red Dragon with Red Dragon's immune ability.   Thus the immune ability would not work; not because Thaddeus is protected from it, but because Thaddeus protects the evil character from it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Does Thaddeus protect my opponent from being able to band in an evil character? Assuming the condition are met.
And anyways, how does red dragon target himself? I thought the ability just activated. Furthermore I don't understand how a character can be protected from something that is not hurting him.

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Quote from: SirNobody on August 24, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
Hey,

In case there's any remaining confusion about the original question.  Red Dragon's immunity does not target Thaddeus.  Red Dragon's immunity does target Red Dragon.  Thaddeus protect Red Dragon from Red Dragon, so Red Dragon cannot target Red Dragon with Red Dragon's immune ability. Smiley  Thus the immune ability would not work; not because Thaddeus is protected from it, but because Thaddeus protects the evil character from it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Does Thaddeus protect my opponent from being able to band in an evil character? Assuming the condition are met.
And anyways, how does red dragon target himself? I thought the ability just activated. Furthermore I don't understand how a character can be protected from something that is not hurting him.

I agree that there's something fishy about a card being protected from its own ability. If Thaddeus was blocked by an evil character with a drawing ability, would Thaddeus protect his opponent's deck from having cards drawn from it by the evil character? By this logic, it seems like it would, but it seems ludicrous.

IMHO, the purpose of protect abilities should be to shield a card from harmful abilities, not to serve as a twisted form of negate, where a card is protected from its own ability even activating.

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Quote from: SirNobody on August 24, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
Hey,

In case there's any remaining confusion about the original question.  Red Dragon's immunity does not target Thaddeus.  Red Dragon's immunity does target Red Dragon.  Thaddeus protect Red Dragon from Red Dragon, so Red Dragon cannot target Red Dragon with Red Dragon's immune ability. Smiley  Thus the immune ability would not work; not because Thaddeus is protected from it, but because Thaddeus protects the evil character from it.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Does Thaddeus protect my opponent from being able to band in an evil character? Assuming the condition are met.
And anyways, how does red dragon target himself? I thought the ability just activated. Furthermore I don't understand how a character can be protected from something that is not hurting him.

I agree that there's something fishy about a card being protected from its own ability. If Thaddeus was blocked by an evil character with a drawing ability, would Thaddeus protect his opponent's deck from having cards drawn from it by the evil character? By this logic, it seems like it would, but it seems ludicrous.

IMHO, the purpose of protect abilities should be to shield a card from harmful abilities, not to serve as a twisted form of negate, where a card is protected from its own ability even activating.

I agree with Dion's post above here. Thad confuses me alot. Please help me understand this.
I was gonna ask a question about Thad so I just decided to add it to this post since it seems related.

Opponent attacks with Thad-11 disciples in play.
I block with Judas, My initiative. I play Midianite attack. Opponent plays AOTL. Judas dies because of Thad's "protecting himself from his own evil ability?? Even though Judas is CBN??" Help?? 
Thanks in advance for helping me make sense outta this. 

Thaddeus (Di)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less. Cannot be interrupted. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple x=# of good disciples in play

Judas Iscariot (Pi)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 6 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect this evil character from convert and discard abilities on opponent’s cards while he remains in play. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple

Midianite Attack (Pa)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 1 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: All special abilities except banding on characters and enhancements except this one are negated.

Does protecting from an evil character also protect from enhancements played on them?  I seem to remember a discussion where that was stated as one of the differences between protect and immune, but I'm not sure.

Hey,

Does protecting from an evil character also protect from enhancements played on them?  I seem to remember a discussion where that was stated as one of the differences between protect and immune, but I'm not sure.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! * goes screaming and yelling to fight with Bryon *

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Wait wait wait... you're protecting, but that doesn't include immunity, right? Doesn't protect mean protection from harm, by nature? And immune is not harm.

And yeah, of course you can't target Thaddeus with enhancements used on characters he's ignoring. But if you let them get out 11 Disciples, you deserve to lose.

Wait wait wait... you're protecting, but that doesn't include immunity, right? Doesn't protect mean protection from harm, by nature? And immune is not harm.

And yeah, of course you can't target Thaddeus with enhancements used on characters he's ignoring. But if you let them get out 11 Disciples, you deserve to lose.

It's easier than you think to get them out... Don't be so quick to judge.