Author Topic: Protection sites only active when occupied? (Read 3904 times)

TimMierz · « **on:** August 18, 2010, 02:23:33 PM »

I found this in the REG (Access to Sites > How to Use):

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All the single color sites are mainly used defensively as “lost soul sites”. The special abilities on single color sites are written to take effect when they are holding a lost soul. Therefore, if you are using an “access site” defensively or a “lost soul site” offensively the special abilities don’t activate.

This seems odd, because of Herod's Dungeon: "While blocking with a Herod while this Site is unoccupied, you may capture a male human Hero with strength 7/* or greater and place it here. When you block with Herodias, you may discard a captured Hero."

Herod's Dungeon would never activate if that REG quote is accurate. Also, if that is accurate, then the "protection sites" in Disciples also only activate when occupied. This includes sites like Chorazin ("Protect N.T. Evil Characters in your territory from conversion. When a Lost Soul is placed in this Site, you may activate a Curse here for one turn.") and Caesarea Philippi ("Protect N.T. human Evil Characters in your territory from capture and discard abilities on opponents' cards. Protect N.T. Sites in your territory from opponents' cards."). So, is the REG accurate?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #1 on:** August 18, 2010, 02:28:08 PM »

That was being discussed a long time ago, and it never got resolved. I had hoped it would get resolved before the set was released, now I can only hope it will be before the set makes it to major tournaments.

My personal preference would be that single-color sites must be occupied to have effect, unless the SA specifically says it must be unoccupied (currently Herod's Dungeon is the only one like that). But that is by no means official.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #2 on:** August 18, 2010, 02:33:14 PM »

It seems pretty resolved to me? no one disagreed with the last few posts on that thread, so it seems like a consensus was reached.

Single-Color Sites are only active when occupied, unless a special ability says otherwise.

Side note question, the second ability on Herod's dungeon is a separate ability, so the site must be occupied to use it, correct?

TimMierz · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2010, 02:40:23 PM »

Thanks for the link back to the old post. That resolution makes sense. A bit of a shame, but I'll deal.

Bryon · « **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2010, 02:47:18 PM »

I thought this was the resolution:

Single-color sites are only active outside of battle.
Multi-color sites are only active inside of battle.

Gabe · « **Reply #5 on:** August 18, 2010, 02:57:55 PM »

Quote from: Bryon on August 18, 2010, 02:47:18 PM

I thought this was the resolution:

Single-color sites are only active outside of battle.
Multi-color sites are only active inside of battle.

That was my understanding as well.

TimMierz · « **Reply #6 on:** August 18, 2010, 03:05:55 PM »

So Caesarea Philippi doesn't protect my ECs from Authority of Christ? Wow, that took a huge hit in usefulness then.

Gabe · « **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2010, 03:18:11 PM »

Quote from: TimMierz on August 18, 2010, 03:05:55 PM

So Caesarea Philippi doesn't protect my ECs from Authority of Christ? Wow, that took a huge hit in usefulness then.

Maybe you've misunderstood the intentions?

Quote from: Bryon on August 18, 2010, 02:47:18 PM

Single-color sites are only active outside of battle.

Another way to say this is: Single-color sites are only active while they are in your territory.

Quote from: Bryon on August 18, 2010, 02:47:18 PM

Multi-color sites are only active inside of battle.

And: Multi-color sites are only active when they are brought into battle for access.

With that understanding your Caesarea Philippi will protect your EC's from AoCp as long as you're not using it for access.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #8 on:** August 18, 2010, 03:20:01 PM »

Personally I really don't like that rule as it significantly weakens the site-lock archetype, I really like Prof A's suggestion.

Smokey · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2010, 03:22:06 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 18, 2010, 03:20:01 PM

Personally I really don't like that rule as it significantly weakens the site-lock archetype, I really like Prof A's suggestion.

How does sites being active without being occupied weaken site-lock, Also I thought it was currently the way Prof A described it.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2010, 03:27:39 PM »

I've been going off of the older thread that I linked. I thought that what Gabe said there was the rule for it.

For easy reference:

Quote from: BrianGabe on October 05, 2009, 06:37:42 PM

For a starting point:

The REG says that single color Sites with a special ability are only active when they're occupied. It also says that multi-color Sites special abilities are only active when in battle.

I don't see any reason that this needs to be changed because of Herod's Dungeon. It specifically says that the ability works when it's not occupied. We have countless other cards with special abilities that work outside of normal game rules. That's one of the things that special abilities do, they allow us to get around game rules in certain circumstances.

So, imo, Herod's Dungeon works just fine as written. Kir only works when occupied.

When did this change?

Gabe · « **Reply #11 on:** August 18, 2010, 03:34:14 PM »

That's one of a few things that are changing for this coming tournament season. Another one you've probably heard about is that Jerusalem Tower will be treated as a protect instead of a prevent ability.

I'll do my best to get an elder/Rob consensus so we can create one thread for all these official announcements soon.

TimMierz · « **Reply #12 on:** August 18, 2010, 03:35:38 PM »

Okay, I took "outside" as meaning "not during", as opposed to "in a different location than". That's clear then, thanks.

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #13 on:** August 18, 2010, 03:36:35 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on August 18, 2010, 03:34:14 PM

That's one of a few things that are changing for this coming tournament season. Another one you've probably heard about is that Jerusalem Tower will be treated as a protect instead of a prevent ability.

I'll do my best to get an elder/Rob consensus so we can create one thread for all these official announcements soon.

What about Hezekiah's Signet Ring???

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #14 on:** August 11, 2011, 09:12:06 PM »

Bryon · « **Reply #15 on:** August 11, 2011, 11:39:32 PM »

This just in from Rob: After nationals, single color sites will be always active. They will not deactivate upon entering battle.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #16 on:** August 11, 2011, 11:52:33 PM »

BINGO!

Red · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2011, 09:32:53 AM »

Quote from: Bryon on August 11, 2011, 11:39:32 PM

This just in from Rob: After nationals, single color sites will be always active. They will not deactivate upon entering battle.

This wouldn't have happened had one of the delarosa's not played rob...(I know this via contacts)

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #18 on:** August 15, 2011, 01:37:42 PM »

can we have this new ruling also stickied or placed somewhere?

I am Knot a Blonde! · « **Reply #19 on:** August 15, 2011, 01:41:38 PM »

I dont know where the rule even came from, but when Jonathan played Rob, Rob didn't even know it existed. If you have ever done that, you cheated. just saying.

Smokey · « **Reply #20 on:** August 15, 2011, 01:57:31 PM »

Quote from: I am Knot a Blonde! on August 15, 2011, 01:41:38 PM

I dont know where the rule even came from, but when Jonathan played Rob, Rob didn't even know it existed. If you have ever done that, you cheated. just saying.

Also, if you commit a crime before it's against the law you're a hipster and go to jail anyways.

Gabe · « **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2011, 02:08:56 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 15, 2011, 01:37:42 PM

can we have this new ruling also stickied or placed somewhere?

I'm awaiting clarification on this on the other side of the boards, then I will add it to the list of new rulings.

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