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The phrases “immune to”, “ignores”, “cannot be”, “may not be”, “may only be _____ by”, “must be _____ by”, “no _____ may be, “prevented from being”, “protected from”, and “protect” have the same function.
Well since Schaef and Mike are on different sides of the boat on this
The following is what the current draft of the next REG says ...
I don't see it as being discarded by a game rule though. I see your being discarded because you lost by the numbers, aka an evil card harmed you.
"Protection from cards only protects from being targeted by the special abilities of those cards, not from game rules influenced by those cards. Protection from effects protects from game rules that result in those effects and cards with special abilities that result in those effects."Strength and Toughness are not special abilities and are not game rules so you cannot be protected from Strength and Toughness. ...... It is not strength and toughness that causes people to be discarded when the loose in battle it's a game rule that is determined by strength and toughness. Protection of Angels does not protect from game rules it only protects from cards so it does not protect against the game rule that discards your character if it's toughness is less than the opponent's strength.Tschow,Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
By this definition Proteciton fortresses do not protect from being discarded by the numbers. Saducees with High priest palace does not protect vs crown of thorns. This is a huge blow to the saducees and to the whole idea of protection.
I had to read your post three times, but I think I finally understand.Is it possible to have a "Layman's REG" with small words and short sentences? I really don't want have to finish my Master's Degree just to make correct rulings.
"A card cannot be targeted by an ability that it is protected from. Game rules do not apply to cards that are protected from the effect of the game rule.""Protection from cards only protects from being targeted by the special abilities of those cards, not from game rules influenced by those cards. Protection from effects protects from game rules that result in those effects and cards with special abilities that result in those effects."
Therefore they don't get shuffled. Right?
OK, so let's look at another situation using this "new" REG definition.Kingdoms of the World - Evil Characters here are protected from effect, and may be removed during holders preparation phase only. While an Evil Character is here, protect holder from being forced to block with another players character.OK, so this is another card that protects from an effect. In fact from all effects. So we ignore the sentence about protection from cards, because that's not what it says. So ANB shuffles the fort, then a game rule results in a shuffle effect to the ECs inside. However, that comes in direct conflict with those ECs protection from effect. Therefore they don't get shuffled. Right?
Although characters in Goshen or Kingdoms of the World are protected, the Fortress itself is not protected and can be shuffled into the draw pile by A New Beginning. Any characters inside them are no longer protected and are shuffled into the draw pile as well.If Goshen or Kingdoms of the World are discarded, all characters held are returned to owner’s territory.