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Go into Captivity Q
« on: September 11, 2011, 11:01:02 PM »
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Q is this: Opponent uses a random hero, and I use Nebby, search for GiC and play it, can they interrupt it? I heard this was a no since it discards itself to capture...

Go Into Captivity (Pi)

Type: Curse • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 0 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: If your warrior class Evil Character is in battle, you may discard this card to capture a Hero. • Play As: When holder chooses, if your warrior class Evil Character is in battle then you may discard this card to capture any Hero. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Deuteronomy 28:41
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2011, 11:11:50 PM »
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Along the same lines, is Herod Phillip II interruptable?
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2011, 11:24:55 PM »
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Changes to Interrupt the Battle
This definition is being expanded to include all card types your opponent has in battle that are causing the removal of your Hero. Ex: Magic Charms discarded from a Magician in battle can be interrupted by an Interrupt the Battle card.


based off the ruling that you could interrupt Magic Charms that discarded itself from battle with an interrupt the battle card, I would think you'd be able to interrupt those other cards as well.
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2011, 11:28:13 PM »
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Even if a card is back in your deck by the time it's resolved? How would that work? Look through your deck and get it out then shuffle then see if it gets totally negated then if not put it back into your deck?
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2011, 11:50:55 PM »
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Special initiative, which is what is granted when you are losing by removal, is played based on the last state of the battle. ITB interrupts any ability that was in battle and is causing your removal, including cards like Go Into Captivity and Herod Phillip II.

Here's an example from the REG glossary.

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Interrupt the battle interrupts the following:

Your opponent’s special abilities that are (1) causing you to be losing by removal (e.g., your opponent’s Net (BL)), or (2) causing a mutual destruction by mutual removal (e.g., your opponent’s King Zimri (Ki) but not your own King Zimri (Ki)).

The King Zimri example above shows that this has been a long standing precedent. What raises this question now?
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2011, 11:57:31 PM »
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Last year Herod was ruled to be CBI because by the time his ability was completed he was in deck and nonspecific and another Herod was in battle.

If special initiative is based off the state when you were being removed, why can't JBP interrupt Writ?
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2011, 11:58:43 PM »
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Even if a card is back in your deck by the time it's resolved? How would that work? Look through your deck and get it out then shuffle then see if it gets totally negated then if not put it back into your deck?

it should never have been put back in your deck. You should only start doing things like that when the ability is resolved completely, if it can be interrupted the opportunity has to be given to do that before you start shuffling

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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2011, 12:00:04 AM »
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Last year Herod was ruled to be CBI because by the time his ability was completed he was in deck and nonspecific and another Herod was in battle.

If special initiative is based off the state when you were being removed, why can't JBP interrupt Writ?

No writ was never in battle in the first place thats different, the only thing that could interrupt that would be something that would be something that specifically says interrupt an artifact

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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2011, 12:01:39 AM »
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Even if a card is back in your deck by the time it's resolved? How would that work? Look through your deck and get it out then shuffle then see if it gets totally negated then if not put it back into your deck?

it should never have been put back in your deck. You should only start doing things like that when the ability is resolved completely, if it can be interrupted the opportunity has to be given to do that before you start shuffling
I've never heard that. When Hur attacks with Gifts up, you can D7 whether your opponent is wanting to DoN or not, and any doms in that D7 can be played and if your opponent then DoN's he's more than able.
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2011, 12:03:11 AM »
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Even if a card is back in your deck by the time it's resolved? How would that work? Look through your deck and get it out then shuffle then see if it gets totally negated then if not put it back into your deck?

it should never have been put back in your deck. You should only start doing things like that when the ability is resolved completely, if it can be interrupted the opportunity has to be given to do that before you start shuffling
I've never heard that. When Hur attacks with Gifts up, you can D7 whether your opponent is wanting to DoN or not, and any doms in that D7 can be played and if your opponent then DoN's he's more than able.

Negating a draw is not the same as negating a shuffle. If you negate a draw you just put the cards back, theres no way to negate a shuffle really

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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2011, 12:09:48 AM »
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And if you play Mayhem off your D7 with Hur and then they DoN Gifts?
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2011, 12:12:35 AM »
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Last year Herod was ruled to be CBI because by the time his ability was completed he was in deck and nonspecific and another Herod was in battle.

To take a page out of your book - link or it didn't happen. :) But seriously, this is the first I've heard of such a ruling.

If special initiative is based off the state when you were being removed, why can't JBP interrupt Writ?

For that matter why can't LuG or Crucify Him negate UW? I assume it's because special initiative is played based on the last state of the battle, not the last state of all cards in play.
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2011, 12:15:28 AM »
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Gabe,

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/3-questions-26810/msg421230/#msg421230

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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2011, 12:16:17 AM »
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And if you play Mayhem off your D7 with Hur and then they DoN Gifts?

You would come up with this absurd situation haha, In my opinion this would not need to be "undone" because it was not the most recent action, i could be wrong. I would also just look at the probabilty of being able to negate it. If you can't realistically completely undo something, such as shuffling then you can't do it. Period. Like if someone had found some way to negate Haman's Plot (yes I know its CBN I'm just trying to make a relatible example) you can't undo the ripping of the card. In the same way you can't really undo a shuffle

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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2011, 12:33:41 AM »
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http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/3-questions-26810/msg421230/#msg421230

Thanks for the link. Jordan is mistaken. If he's not then we have to apply that logic to all situations where cards causing removal are not in battle, so King Zimri and several other cards are CBI too. Any of us that have been around a while know that simply is not true.
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Re: Go into Captivity Q
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2011, 12:37:21 AM »
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The last state of battle was me in battle and not captured. If I wasn't captured then UW wasn't discarded.
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