Author Topic: Protect an EC from himself?? (Read 2134 times)

fyero · « **on:** August 19, 2010, 09:05:26 PM »

say i go in with Thaddeus "Protect all cards everywhere from EC's with toughness X or less=X number of your disciples" my character blocks with an EC that falls under thaddeus' special ability, can he play death of unrighteous and discard himself(I do know for sure it wouldnt shuffle the souls) but can he discard himself, or is he protected from himself?

Smokey · « **Reply #1 on:** August 19, 2010, 09:11:26 PM »

It would seem that he does, I misread the card.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #2 on:** August 19, 2010, 09:14:25 PM »

why not?

and btw...
Death of Unrighteous (Pa)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Shuffle all Lost Souls and sites in holder's Land of Bondage into owner's draw pile. Discard all Evil Characters in battle. • Play As: Shuffle [return] all Lost Souls, sites, and evil cards in sites in your Land of Bondage into your deck. Discard all Evil Characters in battle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Genesis 7:23 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs

Thaddeus (Di)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less. Cannot be interrupted. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Disciple • Verse: Matthew 10:2-3 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #3 on:** August 19, 2010, 09:20:54 PM »

DoU requires that the EC get to the discard pile. same with Suicidal Swine Stampede.

EDIT: (actually, reading the card, it's not a cost effect. I had heard from somebody that Tim said it wouldn't work)

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #4 on:** August 19, 2010, 09:24:39 PM »

maybe he just feels that it shouldnt work and should be a cost/effect card.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #5 on:** August 19, 2010, 09:52:53 PM »

the way the play as is states that it is two seperate abilities on DoU. I play it as a cost/effect ability. Like discard your evil character TO shuffle all lost souls into deck...But Maybe it should get a play as to be a cost/effect thing. Cause less confusion. IDK

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** August 19, 2010, 09:53:57 PM »

lulz. That's not a cost and effect. We're going to need to errata that boy....

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #7 on:** August 19, 2010, 09:54:38 PM »

It is a "Do x. Do y." ability. Not cost/effect.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #8 on:** August 19, 2010, 10:06:56 PM »

Issue, if you are protected from yourself, then the lost souls are protected from you as well. It has no effect.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #9 on:** August 19, 2010, 10:09:35 PM »

Also true, but at least we found out we need to errata DoU to a cost effect.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2010, 12:54:07 AM »

or leave it alone

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2010, 12:55:52 AM »

Why? It was written when we didn't know how to write abilities. We should fix it to what it obviously is intended to be.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2010, 12:59:22 AM »

i think the less we have to mess with a card the better...

Bryon · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2010, 02:53:25 AM »

It is two seprate abilities, and does not need to be a cost-effect. It works just fine as is.

fyero · « **Reply #14 on:** August 20, 2010, 09:32:22 PM »

so besides the argument about cost/effect of DoU. no one has given a clear answer just a "maybe" is the EC protected from discarding, or a better example, can u play suicidal swine stampede and remove urself to protect the souls??

Professoralstad · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2010, 09:37:21 PM »

If the EC has toughness less than X, then he can't discard himself. He is a card in play, and he is an EC. So DoU would shuffle, but wouldn't discard the EC.

fyero · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2010, 09:42:42 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 20, 2010, 09:37:21 PM

If the EC has toughness less than X, then he can't discard himself. He is a card in play, and he is an EC. So DoU would shuffle, but wouldn't discard the EC.

but the EC wouldnt be able to shuffle the lost souls cuz they are protected from him.

The M · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2010, 09:48:57 PM »

odd but helpful in case i am against a thaddeus.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #18 on:** August 20, 2010, 09:53:12 PM »

Quote from: fyero on August 20, 2010, 09:42:42 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 20, 2010, 09:37:21 PM
If the EC has toughness less than X, then he can't discard himself. He is a card in play, and he is an EC. So DoU would shuffle, but wouldn't discard the EC.

but the EC wouldnt be able to shuffle the lost souls cuz they are protected from him.

Oh yeah. True. Darn it.

So DoU does nothing in this scenario.

fyero · « **Reply #19 on:** August 20, 2010, 09:58:29 PM »

hahaha....kinda good...kinda bad....basically just makes a james/thaddeus band that much more ridiculous...the only thing i dont like about the disciples is they are all gonna be the same cookie cutter offenses, like i made one the night of leaving the tourney and it hasnt lost yet....my friend played a guy on RTS and he said the guy had just about the EXACT SAME OFFENSE as me...

this makes me very sad, bcuz they are just making purple THAT much more powerful

DDiceRC · « **Reply #20 on:** August 20, 2010, 10:25:37 PM »

Repeated for reference:

Death of Unrighteous (Pa)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Shuffle all Lost Souls and sites in holder's Land of Bondage into owner's draw pile. Discard all Evil Characters in battle. • Play As: Shuffle [return] all Lost Souls, sites, and evil cards in sites in your Land of Bondage into your deck. Discard all Evil Characters in battle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Genesis 7:23 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs

The "play as" appears to be incorrect. It says, "Shuffle [return] all Lost Souls, sites, and evil cards in sites in your Land of Bondage into your deck." (emphasis added). The SA says "owner's deck." Would the shuffled cards not go back to their owner's deck, not the current holder?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #21 on:** August 20, 2010, 10:27:15 PM »

Quote from: DDiceRC on August 20, 2010, 10:25:37 PM

Repeated for reference:

Death of Unrighteous (Pa)
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Shuffle all Lost Souls and sites in holder's Land of Bondage into owner's draw pile. Discard all Evil Characters in battle. • Play As: Shuffle [return] all Lost Souls, sites, and evil cards in sites in your Land of Bondage into your deck. Discard all Evil Characters in battle. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Genesis 7:23 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs

The "play as" appears to be incorrect. It says, "Shuffle [return] all Lost Souls, sites, and evil cards in sites in your Land of Bondage into your deck." (emphasis added). The SA says "owner's deck." Would the shuffled cards not go back to their owner's deck, not the current holder?

You are correct, the Play As should be fixed. When discarded or returned to deck, cards always go to the deck/discard pile of their owner.

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Author Topic: Protect an EC from himself?? (Read 2134 times)

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