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Also, how are people making the title of cards where you get to hover over it and it shows the card? They are also doing it in deck design with decks and it is really cool.Thanks!
FWiW, be careful about playing it on an active Assyrian Survivor as PoJ won't fire due to the capture.
Insteading undoes the initial ability before it happens, but Soul Survivor is not an instead ability. He is Discarded, then Captured.
Instead is not an ability so that language won't affect this ruling. The concept is the same.
InsteadCards that use the word "instead" replace an effect with a different effect. When a card has a new effect applied to it "instead", it is not considered to have the original effect applied to it in any way. As such, "instead" implies a "would be" condition for the original effect (e.g. "if your character [would be] discarded...")
Defeat Defeat is caused when a character’s toughness is less than or equal to an opposing character’s strength. A defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle. A Hero(es) is defeated when the Hero(es) in battle are discarded, repelled or otherwise fails to make a successful rescue such as in a stalemate. The Evil Character(s) is defeated when the Evil Character(s) in battle are discarded, ignored or otherwise fails to stop the Hero from making a successful rescue such as in a mutual destruction by numbers.
You are correct, sir. I was thinking that the card was worded differently (something like the PG Panic Demon). However, in this case it should not trigger PoJ for the reasons outlined.
right and cards that end up somewhere other then a set location don't pay the cost hence lazarus + masters table = broken so again no unless survivor remains in discard it was captured ty
Quote Defeat Defeat is caused when a character’s toughness is less than or equal to an opposing character’s strength. A defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle. A Hero(es) is defeated when the Hero(es) in battle are discarded, repelled or otherwise fails to make a successful rescue such as in a stalemate. The Evil Character(s) is defeated when the Evil Character(s) in battle are discarded, ignored or otherwise fails to stop the Hero from making a successful rescue such as in a mutual destruction by numbers.
Praeceps is correct. Assyrian Survivor's condition of "defeated" has nothing to do with whether or not the hero got a Lost Soul, it merely has to do with the state of Assyrian Survivor. When he's discarded his self-capture ability kicks in.
Quote from: Chronic Apathy on March 14, 2012, 08:34:26 PMPraeceps is correct. Assyrian Survivor's condition of "defeated" has nothing to do with whether or not the hero got a Lost Soul, it merely has to do with the state of Assyrian Survivor. When he's discarded his self-capture ability kicks in.It seems that defeated needs to be redefined in the REG
Quote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 08:39:03 PMQuote from: Chronic Apathy on March 14, 2012, 08:34:26 PMPraeceps is correct. Assyrian Survivor's condition of "defeated" has nothing to do with whether or not the hero got a Lost Soul, it merely has to do with the state of Assyrian Survivor. When he's discarded his self-capture ability kicks in.It seems that defeated needs to be redefined in the REGI don't think so. The REG definition clearly has the word "discarded" under the definition, which I think satisfies the requirement. If anything, I'd just remove the word "otherwise" from it. Let me put it this way: A hero makes a battle challenge against you and you block with Assyrian Survivor; you have initiative and pass it, letting AS die. Clearly he was defeated, right?
except abilities must complete therefore survivor is captured and no longer discarded when poj checks cause if it worked your way i could block with king omri use gates with the searched for samaria play shimeis malicious curse and say i had still searched for a site so the decrease still happens. same thing