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except abilities must complete therefore survivor is captured and no longer discarded when poj checks cause if it worked your way i could block with king omri use gates with the searched for samaria play shimeis malicious curse and say i had still searched for a site so the decrease still happens. same thing
A defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle.What is an evil character's goal in battle?
QuoteQuote from: theselfevident on Today at 01:43:56 AM A defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle. What is an evil character's goal in battle?Presumably to prevent the rescue of Lost Souls, though in this meta, it's usually to d3 and generate a soul off of The Amalekite's Slave. What are you getting at, though?
Quote from: theselfevident on Today at 01:43:56 AM A defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle. What is an evil character's goal in battle?
Quote from: christiangamer25 on March 14, 2012, 08:42:59 PMexcept abilities must complete therefore survivor is captured and no longer discarded when poj checks cause if it worked your way i could block with king omri use gates with the searched for samaria play shimeis malicious curse and say i had still searched for a site so the decrease still happens. same thingAssyrian Survivor's ability is ongoing, not instant, so no, it's not the same thing. I can see it from both sides, but there's nothing to suggest that AS' ability is an instead. The discard would happen, with would activate Protection of Jerusalem, and then he's captured. Unlike an instead like Herod's Temple, the discard does happen, and is then followed up by the self-capture.Quote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 08:43:56 PMA defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle.What is an evil character's goal in battle?Presumably to prevent the rescue of Lost Souls, though in this meta, it's usually to d3 and generate a soul off of The Amalekite's Slave. What are you getting at, though?
The entire point of an evil character is to block. If you're evil character successfully blocks your opponent's hero from rescuing a soul, would it not have achieved its goal and therefore not be defeated?
Quote from: Chronic Apathy on March 14, 2012, 08:47:40 PMQuote from: christiangamer25 on March 14, 2012, 08:42:59 PMexcept abilities must complete therefore survivor is captured and no longer discarded when poj checks cause if it worked your way i could block with king omri use gates with the searched for samaria play shimeis malicious curse and say i had still searched for a site so the decrease still happens. same thingAssyrian Survivor's ability is ongoing, not instant, so no, it's not the same thing. I can see it from both sides, but there's nothing to suggest that AS' ability is an instead. The discard would happen, with would activate Protection of Jerusalem, and then he's captured. Unlike an instead like Herod's Temple, the discard does happen, and is then followed up by the self-capture.Quote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 08:43:56 PMA defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle.What is an evil character's goal in battle?Presumably to prevent the rescue of Lost Souls, though in this meta, it's usually to d3 and generate a soul off of The Amalekite's Slave. What are you getting at, though?Evil Characters are cards with a dragon in the icon box. Evil Characters block rescue attempts and battle challenges.The entire point of an evil character is to block. If you're evil character successfully blocks your opponent's hero from rescuing a soul, would it not have achieved its goal and therefore not be defeated?
Quote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 08:55:11 PMQuote from: Chronic Apathy on March 14, 2012, 08:47:40 PMQuote from: christiangamer25 on March 14, 2012, 08:42:59 PMexcept abilities must complete therefore survivor is captured and no longer discarded when poj checks cause if it worked your way i could block with king omri use gates with the searched for samaria play shimeis malicious curse and say i had still searched for a site so the decrease still happens. same thingAssyrian Survivor's ability is ongoing, not instant, so no, it's not the same thing. I can see it from both sides, but there's nothing to suggest that AS' ability is an instead. The discard would happen, with would activate Protection of Jerusalem, and then he's captured. Unlike an instead like Herod's Temple, the discard does happen, and is then followed up by the self-capture.Quote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 08:43:56 PMA defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle.What is an evil character's goal in battle?Presumably to prevent the rescue of Lost Souls, though in this meta, it's usually to d3 and generate a soul off of The Amalekite's Slave. What are you getting at, though?Evil Characters are cards with a dragon in the icon box. Evil Characters block rescue attempts and battle challenges.The entire point of an evil character is to block. If you're evil character successfully blocks your opponent's hero from rescuing a soul, would it not have achieved its goal and therefore not be defeated?No, this isn't a case of the evil character winning, but rather both sides losing.
Of course, getting the REG edited is roughly the equivalent of getting Nick Cage to star in a good movie these days.
Quote from: Praeceps on March 14, 2012, 08:59:00 PMQuote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 08:55:11 PMQuote from: Chronic Apathy on March 14, 2012, 08:47:40 PMQuote from: christiangamer25 on March 14, 2012, 08:42:59 PMexcept abilities must complete therefore survivor is captured and no longer discarded when poj checks cause if it worked your way i could block with king omri use gates with the searched for samaria play shimeis malicious curse and say i had still searched for a site so the decrease still happens. same thingAssyrian Survivor's ability is ongoing, not instant, so no, it's not the same thing. I can see it from both sides, but there's nothing to suggest that AS' ability is an instead. The discard would happen, with would activate Protection of Jerusalem, and then he's captured. Unlike an instead like Herod's Temple, the discard does happen, and is then followed up by the self-capture.Quote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 08:43:56 PMA defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle.What is an evil character's goal in battle?Presumably to prevent the rescue of Lost Souls, though in this meta, it's usually to d3 and generate a soul off of The Amalekite's Slave. What are you getting at, though?Evil Characters are cards with a dragon in the icon box. Evil Characters block rescue attempts and battle challenges.The entire point of an evil character is to block. If you're evil character successfully blocks your opponent's hero from rescuing a soul, would it not have achieved its goal and therefore not be defeated?No, this isn't a case of the evil character winning, but rather both sides losing.Then defeated should be redefined for clarification of this rulingas it stands it says:Evil Character is DefeatedAn evil character is defeated if at the end of the battle resolution the Hero wins the battle.
Quote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 09:03:17 PMQuote from: Praeceps on March 14, 2012, 08:59:00 PMQuote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 08:55:11 PMQuote from: Chronic Apathy on March 14, 2012, 08:47:40 PMQuote from: christiangamer25 on March 14, 2012, 08:42:59 PMexcept abilities must complete therefore survivor is captured and no longer discarded when poj checks cause if it worked your way i could block with king omri use gates with the searched for samaria play shimeis malicious curse and say i had still searched for a site so the decrease still happens. same thingAssyrian Survivor's ability is ongoing, not instant, so no, it's not the same thing. I can see it from both sides, but there's nothing to suggest that AS' ability is an instead. The discard would happen, with would activate Protection of Jerusalem, and then he's captured. Unlike an instead like Herod's Temple, the discard does happen, and is then followed up by the self-capture.Quote from: theselfevident on March 14, 2012, 08:43:56 PMA defeat also occurs when a character is stopped from achieving his goal in battle.What is an evil character's goal in battle?Presumably to prevent the rescue of Lost Souls, though in this meta, it's usually to d3 and generate a soul off of The Amalekite's Slave. What are you getting at, though?Evil Characters are cards with a dragon in the icon box. Evil Characters block rescue attempts and battle challenges.The entire point of an evil character is to block. If you're evil character successfully blocks your opponent's hero from rescuing a soul, would it not have achieved its goal and therefore not be defeated?No, this isn't a case of the evil character winning, but rather both sides losing.Then defeated should be redefined for clarification of this rulingas it stands it says:Evil Character is DefeatedAn evil character is defeated if at the end of the battle resolution the Hero wins the battle. You get mugged and someone steals your cell phone. You chase after the mugger. He slips, falls in front of an on duty Police officer and your cell phone goes sliding down a storm drain. Did you (The Hero) win this battle? Was the Mugger (The EC) defeated?
He did, actually, when you weren't looking. The cop wasn't even a real cop, he was just a guy in a uniform. At any rate, thanks for the credit cards.-runs away cackling-
Hey,In the example Assyrian Survivor is discarded. Goes to the discard pile. And is then captured by his own ability, from the discard pile. Which is normally out of range for a capture ability but we made an exception a long time ago for cards like this. A character does not have to remain in the discard pile to be discarded, he just has to make it all the way there before being relocated.The definition of defeat in the REG does not need changing. In the example when Death of Unrighteous removes the lost souls from play it converts the Rescue attempt to a battle challenge. Assyrian Survivor then loses the battle challenge when he is discarded. Losing a battle challenge qualifies as being defeated. (So Assyrian Survivor is actually simultaneously winning a rescue attempt and losing a battle challenge.)Additionally "discarded" is specifically mentioned in case one Evil Character is discarded but other Evil Characters remain in battle and end up winning it. Even though the evil side won the battle, the Evil Character that was discarded was still defeated.Tschow,Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Hey,In the example Assyrian Survivor is discarded. Goes to the discard pile. And is then captured by his own ability, from the discard pile. Which is normally out of range for a capture ability but we made an exception a long time ago for cards like this. A character does not have to remain in the discard pile to be discarded, he just has to make it all the way there before being relocated.
I guess you must have missed the ruling saturday because the two elders said poj doesn't trigger. Where were you when I need you? Oh yeah you were trying to make sense of Craigs deck
Hey,Quote from: TheHobbit13 on March 15, 2012, 12:26:35 AMI guess you must have missed the ruling saturday because the two elders said poj doesn't trigger. Where were you when I need you? Oh yeah you were trying to make sense of Craigs deck Which despite having an Assyrian defense had only 1 Assyrian Survivor and 0 Death of Unrighteous. * facepalm *Tschow,Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
