Cactus Game Design Message Boards

I think it was intended to balance the meta by giving a bunch of different brigades ways to draw (like how red got Ishmaiah and Gold got Sam) unfortunately all those new cards just happened to combine perfectly to make what we know as 'sam decks.'

Note this is purely conjecture

.

The irony is that mono Gold and Red is still pretty low tier.

I have a proposition for all future sets:

If an ability draws cards, it MUST have a cost. There are too many free draws in the game.

OR

If an ability draws cards, it must do NOTHING else. There are too many cards that draw and have other uses, such as heroes or interrupt, draw, and play next enhancement.

OR

Just stop printing cards that draw. We have enough.

As a former Yugioh Player, speed is still used, if ur going to play Exodia but most 'speed' decks aren't just drawing, it's more on getting your base characters out and fast, (usually by searching) but they can win well too.

Yugioh =/= Redemption

And just because it is useful, doesn't mean they are needed.  These abilities are taking over the game and meta completely.  Also, there are plenty of searches that can also be 'speedy' (see: Isaiah-maiah).

Draws let you pull your entire deck faster.

Deck-out Rule! Deck-out Rule!

Deck-out Rule! Deck-out Rule!

And a for you...

The point is that the game-rule stopped speed to an extent. I'm not saying Yugioh and Redemption are the same or even similar, it's just that it's an example of where it shut down speed just a little.

Which game rule are you referring to?  You had mentioned searches before, and I was responding to that.  Game rule for Yugi-Oh is that if you deck, you lose, if that's what you're referring to, yes.  That won't be implemented in Redemption, for obvious reasons.

My problem with deck-out rules is that it rewards decks that thin out the opponent's deck/wait them out.

We just need to hit drawing, nothing else.

Mark, fair enough; I'll concede that perhaps defense heavy is as viable as speed with longer time limits, but that will never be possible because bigger tournaments, especially Nats, takes enough time as it is. Even adding 15 minutes to a 10 round Nats potentially adds two and a half hours to the total play time, and when it's stretching for 6-8 hours as it is, that's simply too much. I was originally a supporter of extending the time limit to an hour, and even now, from a gameplay prospective, I support it, but logistically, I don't like it. A deck out rule remains the best option in my opinion, since it does something without fundamentally altering the game too much, which I worry would happen with any rules that specifically target drawing (limiting it per turn, the GotM rule you're so fond of, or some other negative consequence when you draw). Of all the proposed suggestions (aside from two generics per deck), a deck out rule is my favorite suggestion.

Tim, as far as I'm aware, Darius' Decree wasn't used at all in the season following TxP, and it was only used in the season following Disciples specifically because of Fishing Boat. At least a handful of players, including myself, experimented with it a lot this season, and from everyone I've heard of, the idea was eventually dropped because set-aside drawing wasn't as prevalent this season. Aside from the possibility of Nazareth, what is better anti-speed than RBD?

If it weren't for either Angel under the Oak or Samuel, this set would have been more or less ok.

Really, the drawing of a Sam deck should have been no surprise.  Sam draws based on non-Gold heroes.  Also, why does Ishmaiah draw based on OT heroes?  He should have been printed to draw on Red WC heroes or something like that.

But answer me this, Nobody, if speed counters are one set behind, how do you explain Gardenciples still being dominant, arguably even better than Sam decks?

Because TGT is the most broken non-dominant ever?  Maybe the most broken card ever?  So many failed counters printed... 

TGT/Disciples both have:
One amazing battlewinner (AoCP/HiR) with other battlewinners
One massive CBN band (MMoJ/Philip)
ITB + drawing + play next (Words/Reach)
Drawing via set-aside (First Fruits/Pentecost)
Access to TGT
Ways to stop chump blockers (James/John/Joanna)

Seriously, I'm trying to imagine what cards would have to be printed for TGT not to be top-tier.  It's NEVER going to happen by making weaker offensive themes stronger.  It will have to happen by making all defenses better.

But speaking strictly from a game perspective I think defenses just need to be beefed up.

I've been saying that for 3 years.

For TGT, HHI, RbD, Cov. W/ Abe (I think everyone forgets this, No EC's can be set-aside) and then Gab the other nasty Enhancements like AoCP/MLaMG, and big defenses stop TGT too. Part of the reason why there aren't an insane amount of counters for them already, and an opponent can't stop all of them.

The anti-draw LS is all but useless. Most-if-not-all drawing comes from characters, the FbtN LS is in basically every deck, and really the only things it stops are Sabbath Breaker, Reach and the occasional Proud Pharisee.

So how does that jive with speed counters being a year behind? Are they actually five years behind?