Author Topic: Proposal for CBI/P/N Granting Abilities (Read 7437 times)

SomeKittens · « **Reply #25 on:** February 09, 2012, 12:48:25 PM »

Those already work, and this broadens it.

Korunks · « **Reply #26 on:** February 09, 2012, 02:50:03 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on February 09, 2012, 11:08:14 AM

Asaph is not effected by this rule change, I think that is the source of some confusion.

How is Asaph not affected? He has an ability that grants CBN, therefore his ability is CBN. Someone please explain how the propsed ruling would not affect Asaph? Asaph from the REG:

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Asaph (Pi)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: White • Ability: 6 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: Good Enhancements involving music cannot be negated by evil cards. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Musician • Verse: I Chronicles 6:39 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)

Ethan:

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Ethan (Pi)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: White • Ability: 5 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: Search discard pile for a good Enhancement involving music and add it to hand. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Musician • Verse: I Chronicles 6:44 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)

Pol must have mistyped in his first post, Asaph is the one effected by this ruling, not Ethan. Unless the REG is totally wrong.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 09, 2012, 03:22:16 PM »

I don't know maybe I misunderstand because the things am thinking about are not the same. But take this example.

Ra Asaph, play blessings then magnificat (Ashera Pole is up) my opponent tries to negate magnificat with disobedience (negate on good enhancement in play). Can he negate maginificat? You are saying he could have, and I am saying he never could have. But it dm its cbn now anyway.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #28 on:** February 09, 2012, 03:26:41 PM »

That's all moot. Blessings Negates Magnificat. Asaph only makes CBN by evil cards.

Korunks · « **Reply #29 on:** February 09, 2012, 03:30:02 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on February 09, 2012, 03:26:41 PM

That's all moot. Blessings Negates Magnificat. Asaph only makes CBN by evil cards.

Right, All I was trying to say is that blessings no longer negates his ability.

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on February 09, 2012, 03:28:55 PM

I know. I am saying that my opponent cannot negate magnificat with a cbn negate afterwards.

I was never disputing that, I was just disputing that this ruling doesn't affect Asaph "at all" Just in a small way.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #30 on:** February 09, 2012, 03:31:39 PM »

I think a better example would be Fallen Warrior blocking, dropping Bringing Fear, and then Wrath of Satan. Asaph would be able to interrupt WoS.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #31 on:** February 10, 2012, 07:07:21 PM »

I see why the example is confusing. It would have been better to say that Magnificat followed by Passover Hymn would now make Hymn CBN.

Red · « **Reply #32 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:46:45 PM »

this rule effectivly errata's asaph. I won't support any rule that directly effects card text.

Bryon · « **Reply #33 on:** February 10, 2012, 11:34:12 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on February 08, 2012, 02:03:36 PM

I support this. Simplifies things extremely well.

Agreed. Thanks for the suggestion, Pol!

Red · « **Reply #34 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:19:37 PM »

So now conditional CBN is no more? That's screwed up.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #35 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:25:40 PM »

No I think that conditional CBN still works (if I understand right). It's just that conditional CBN would itself be CBN.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #36 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:42:16 PM »

As I understood it abilities granted from set asides were CBN so why would granted abilities be any different, it makes sense to me...

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #37 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:36:27 AM »

Quote from: Red on February 12, 2012, 09:19:37 PM

So now conditional CBN is no more? That's screwed up.

What makes it screwed up? While in general I thought the previous rules were easy enough to understand, they did lead to some really awkward scenarios like the question of the CBP Lost Soul v. the FBTN Lost Soul, and changing this rule helps make that simpler, without really sacrificing much gameplay.

Red · « **Reply #38 on:** February 13, 2012, 10:17:40 AM »

Artifacts can't turn off aspah's CBN,. Magnifact doesn't turn it off. FBTN needs to turn off ALL lost souls with abilites ETC... Basically this just took something that was already a problem(Rampant CBN) and made it worse even if only a little. Thus a bad desicsion. I hate scarificing gameplay for simplicity.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #39 on:** February 13, 2012, 10:23:25 AM »

I don't think it is sacrificing gameplay though. As Pol noted in his first post, the uses of this are actually not really that many, especially since abilities that grant CBN status were already CBN to begin with. This just removes more obscure or complicated prerequisites and makes everything more streamlined.

CountFount · « **Reply #40 on:** February 13, 2012, 10:26:08 AM »

Quote from: Red on February 13, 2012, 10:17:40 AM

Artifacts can't turn off aspah's CBN,. Magnifact doesn't turn it off. FBTN needs to turn off ALL lost souls with abilites ETC... Basically this just took something that was already a problem(Rampant CBN) and made it worse even if only a little. Thus a bad desicsion. I hate scarificing gameplay for simplicity.

I agree that we don't want to sacrifice game play for simplicity, because simplicity doesn't always translate to fun and challenging. However, Do you have specific examples of how this will turn destroy game play?

Red Warrior · « **Reply #41 on:** February 13, 2012, 04:12:24 PM »

Could I please get just 2 examples of a "before and after" on how this would affect a play/combo differently? Thanks

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #42 on:** February 13, 2012, 04:42:26 PM »

Before: Asaph plays Magnificat, then Passover Hymn. Passover Hymn is fully negatable.
After: Asaph plays Magnificat, then Passover Hymn. Passover Hymn CBN by an evil card.

Before: Eli is Gathered to TSA and plays Sword of Revealing Light. Opponent may negate Sword of Revealing Light.
After: Eli is Gathered to TSA and plays Sword of Revealing Light. Opponent cannot Negate Sword of Revealing Light,

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #43 on:** February 13, 2012, 04:55:22 PM »

Before: My opponent spoils my undefeated tournament hopes in ROOT because their FBN LS negates my CBP LS, and therefore causes my first EE in battle to be ineffective in a critical block.

After: My EE still works, and brings utter devastation upon my opponent, and allows me to have the greatest comeback ever told

Jmbeers · « **Reply #44 on:** February 13, 2012, 06:02:46 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on February 13, 2012, 04:55:22 PM

Before: My opponent spoils my undefeated tournament hopes in ROOT because their FBN LS negates my CBP LS, and therefore causes my first EE in battle to be ineffective in a critical block.

After: My EE still works, and brings utter devastation upon my opponent, and allows me to have the greatest comeback ever told

Is there a reason that sounds like a true story??

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #45 on:** February 13, 2012, 06:23:04 PM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on February 13, 2012, 06:02:46 PM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on February 13, 2012, 04:55:22 PM
Before: My opponent spoils my undefeated tournament hopes in ROOT because their FBN LS negates my CBP LS, and therefore causes my first EE in battle to be ineffective in a critical block.

After: My EE still works, and brings utter devastation upon my opponent, and allows me to have the greatest comeback ever told

Is there a reason that sounds like a true story??

I don't know why it would sound like a true story, since in that particular after, his opponent (who shall remain nameless, though I hear he's a handsome devil) still won.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #46 on:** February 13, 2012, 06:52:32 PM »

That's what determined Jan. ROOT.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #47 on:** February 13, 2012, 07:17:37 PM »

Ohhhh ouch,

Now here's the real question, would Prof really have won with the rule change?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #48 on:** February 13, 2012, 07:19:16 PM »

Not being privy to the game, I can't say for certain, but I do know that most games come down to one rescue.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #49 on:** February 13, 2012, 07:26:03 PM »

Quote from: Jmbeers on February 13, 2012, 07:17:37 PM

Ohhhh ouch,

Now here's the real question, would Prof really have won with the rule change?

Yes and no. Strictly speaking, he would not have won, because before he realized that the question of the FBTN Lost Soul and the CBP Lost Soul was up in the air, he used Angel of the Lord on his own evil character for the heck of it. Thus, if it had been ruled in his favor, I would have requested the ability to make a different move during my rescue attempt, since, if he had not allowed it, I would have just noted that he'd technically used Angel of the Lord, thus making me the winner. I know he would have afforded me the same grace I would have afforded him in taking his AotL back, so I still would have won. Now that said, had that rescue attempt not succeeded, we played it out long enough that it became apparent that I would not have another chance to break through his defense, and he would have won.

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Author Topic: Proposal for CBI/P/N Granting Abilities (Read 7437 times)

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