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I propose we give a simple blanket ruling about abilities that grant other abilities CBI/P/N:
"Abilities that grant CBI/P/N cannot be Negated."

Upside:
No more questions about convoluted situations, except by people who haven't read up on core rules and are likely to ask many questions anyway.

Downside:
A few minor gameplay changes, most notably the CBP LS will continue to function in spite of the FbtN LS, least notably Ethan will be able to use Magnificat after having played Blessings.

Overall I think a massive simplification, condensation, and consistentiation (?) of what's now a weird and inconsistent set of rules is worth the minor gameplay changes.

I am starting to also think that this might be the best solution.

Got my support. I get tired of asking Profs for rulings. Let's burn down that whole College. 

I'm mixed on the rule, but after last night's chain of events, I'm forced to conclude it's probably for the best. I like the idea.

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I agree. I don't understand how this affects Ethan and Magnificat though.

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 08, 2012, 11:45:08 AM

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on February 08, 2012, 11:42:43 AM

I agree. I don't understand how this affects Ethan and Magnificat though.

Pol means Asaph.

Asaph says cbn by evil cards. But I think I get the picture, if asaph said cpb he could play magnificat against kot or something. I just wanted to make sure nothing wierd was happening. Am I right in saying that for gameplay purposes this only affects cbp lost soul vs fbtn?

Yeah, I fail to see why magnificat would not negate Asaph if this went into effect.

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on February 08, 2012, 12:21:02 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 08, 2012, 11:45:08 AM

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on February 08, 2012, 11:42:43 AM

I agree. I don't understand how this affects Ethan and Magnificat though.

Pol means Asaph.

Asaph says cbn by evil cards. But I think I get the picture, if asaph said cpb he could play magnificat against kot or something. I just wanted to make sure nothing wierd was happening. Am I right in saying that for gameplay purposes this only affects cbp lost soul vs fbtn?

Yeah, I fail to see why magnificat would not negate Asaph if this went into effect.

Since Asaph provides a CBN ability (a conditional one but still a CBN ability) his ability under this rule would now be CBN so it can not be negated by Maginifcat, or Blessings, etc.

I'm mixed on the rule, but after last night's chain of events, I'm forced to conclude it's probably for the best. I like the idea.

Sure, now that you've already beaten me you decide to support this

I support this, and honestly I thought it was already the rule. (not that my support means much)

That's why it wouldn't work. Or at least it shouldn't work

You'd prefer the infinite loop that develops otherwise?

That's why it wouldn't work. Or at least it shouldn't work

Again, thats not correct.

The proposed rule is:

"Abilities that grant CBI/P/N cannot be Negated."

It is an ability that grants CBN, therfore it is CBN.  It's conditionality would no longer be a factor.  Which is the intent of the Rule to define what happens in conditional CBN instances as well as other issues.  I won't argue f you believe the rule shouldn't  implemented, thats your opinion, however logically the way the proposed rule is worded that is how it would work out.  Any ability that provides a conditional or non-conditional CBN, CBP, CBI would in itself be a CBN ability.

Does this mean if blocked by KOT, and you played an enhancement like Faith in our High Priest, or others that say your NEXT enhancement cannot be negated , and they will work?

Or is it that those already work, and this broadens it to CBI and CBP?

Thanks for this clarification.