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Re: Primary Objective and Widows' Tables
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2015, 12:12:39 PM »
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Okay, so I've been looking through my TEC cards thinking about what everyone has said about Widows' Tables not working with Primary Objective or Toss. I noticed 3 cards from TEC that all had similar wording in their special ability that sounds like you could still instead a cost and get the effect. Parmenas, Nicolas of Antioch and Fortunatus. All three allow you to discard a clay card (or enhancement in either case) from hand to do an effect. But they also include text referencing to Widows' Tables insteading the cost and still getting the effect.

Parmenas - you may discard a clay enhancement from hand (or place it on widows tables) to negate an evil card and return it to owner's hand.

Nicolas of Antioch - negate evil character with toughess less than x. You may discard a clay enhancement from hand (or place it on widows tables) to search your deck or discard pile for a clay convert enhancment.
X= # of your deacons

Fortunatus - look @ the top x cards of deck: you may discard a clay card from hand (or place a clay enhancement on widows tables) to take one to hand, then underdeck the rest. Cannot be interrupted.
X = # of your corinth heroes in play.

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Re: Primary Objective and Widows' Tables
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2015, 12:18:50 PM »
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Cards that instead themselves still allow you to have "paid the cost" of an ability (see Herod's Temple fortress, putting the Lost Souls in play still counts as paying the cost). It's only if an external source (other cards/abilities or game rules) causes an instead that the cost is not considered paid.

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Re: Primary Objective and Widows' Tables
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2015, 12:50:19 PM »
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Those specific cards have alternate conditions for satisfying the 'cost'.  Either one can be done and still count as the cost, that is how they are worded.  And as browarod stated, we already have some cards that do that in different ways like Herod's Temple, but this one gives you two choices rather than an ability and an instead in a specific circumstance.

Those cards you mentioned were intentionally designed to be boosted when you play them with Tables out.

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Re: Primary Objective and Widows' Tables
« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2015, 11:26:26 PM »
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Okay, I might be going on some ancient ruling on PO, but how it was ruled about 2 years ago was that while it's not exactly a cost/effect but you have to have 7+ cards in your hand to activate this card because you have to resolve the Discard your Hand effect. If you could not resolve that effect you could not activate the card's effect because you couldn't complete a required effect before the card touched the field. But then again, this is what I know was the ruling from 2+ years ago...
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