Author Topic: Prince Moses? (Read 11166 times)

egilkinc · « **Reply #25 on:** September 30, 2008, 07:44:54 PM »

Watch out if Tim passes on any of his Redemption blood to his kids someday!

TheMarti · « **Reply #26 on:** September 30, 2008, 07:51:09 PM »

I disagree... if one is adopted, the intention is that you are treated as part of family. I really think Moses should be royalty.

~Marti

Alex-CB · « **Reply #27 on:** September 30, 2008, 08:16:11 PM »

Quote from: The Marti on September 30, 2008, 07:51:09 PM

I disagree... if one is adopted, the intention is that you are treated as part of family.
~Marti

I agree with this statement. But when Moses killed the Egyptian, flees Egypt, liberates the Egyptians slaves, flees with them, and while the Egyptians are following them through the Red Sea (I hope its this Sea so I don't look stupid

),I think he forfeits his royalty as an Egyptian.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #28 on:** October 01, 2008, 02:12:34 AM »

That argument doesn't hold up because Saul is considered Royalty.

TheMarti · « **Reply #29 on:** October 01, 2008, 08:10:51 AM »

Right. Saul totally destroyed the chance of any of his family becoming royalty except through marriage.

Hedgehogman · « **Reply #30 on:** October 01, 2008, 09:40:51 AM »

Biblically and societally speaking, Moses was a prince, therefore he should be considered royalty. If adoption is suddenly disqualified, then we have to disqualify marriage as well. The Esther and Bathsheba examples were perfect. Bloodline cannot be the determining factor in deciding royalty.

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If you have to have egyptian blood to be egyptian, why wouldn't you have to have royal blood to be royal?

Because ethnicity and societal standing are two completely different things, that's why. One is directly and irrevocably tied to bloodlines, the other is not. Moses was obviously not an ethnic Egyptian, but very clearly was Egyptian royalty by adoption. Therefore he should be considered royalty for gameplay purposes.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #31 on:** October 01, 2008, 03:49:46 PM »

Too bad he never became a king, or else he'd be awesome for PTR

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #32 on:** October 01, 2008, 04:00:37 PM »

I am fairly sure that scholars could more or less deduce that should Moses have stayed in Egypt and the killer of the slave driver never occured, he would have been Pharoah.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #33 on:** October 01, 2008, 04:07:30 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 01, 2008, 04:00:37 PM

I am fairly sure that scholars could more or less deduce that should Moses have stayed in Egypt and the killer of the slave driver never occured, he would have been Pharoah.

Cept he was second in line to become pharoah :-p so the first one would of had to died, and not had a son by then.

Ironica · « **Reply #34 on:** October 01, 2008, 07:55:26 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on October 01, 2008, 02:12:34 AM

That argument doesn't hold up because Saul is considered Royalty.

However, Saul did die as the king.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2008, 03:53:17 PM »

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wow, moses was alot of things...if he was nt, angel, and female as well, by golly, he'd be the best redemption hero evar.

He obviously can't be angel or female but there is some justification to have him be N.T. He and Elijah did make an appearance in the NT. Sure it is a bit of a stretch but hey it'd be fun. Also there is the mention in Matthew of many of the dead saints arising and appearing to people. Why that could be almost any hero from the OT!!!!!

Seriously though, I bet you could make a couple cool enhancement cards that would allow OT heroes in your discard pile to be brought into battle as a NT hero for one turn.

TimMierz · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2008, 03:56:45 PM »

Mr. Gawyn, have you ever read Redemption NJ?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #37 on:** October 07, 2008, 04:17:02 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on October 01, 2008, 04:07:30 PM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 01, 2008, 04:00:37 PM
I am fairly sure that scholars could more or less deduce that should Moses have stayed in Egypt and the killer of the slave driver never occured, he would have been Pharoah.
Cept he was second in line to become pharoah :-p so the first one would of had to died, and not had a son by then.

No, even if that Pharoah had a son, Moses would have become king because he was older, and still technically in the royal family (by adoption).

galadgawyn · « **Reply #38 on:** October 07, 2008, 04:47:23 PM »

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Mr. Gawyn, have you ever read Redemption NJ?

Probably not. What is that?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #39 on:** October 07, 2008, 05:06:33 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 07, 2008, 04:17:02 PM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on October 01, 2008, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 01, 2008, 04:00:37 PM
I am fairly sure that scholars could more or less deduce that should Moses have stayed in Egypt and the killer of the slave driver never occured, he would have been Pharoah.
Cept he was second in line to become pharoah :-p so the first one would of had to died, and not had a son by then.

No, even if that Pharoah had a son, Moses would have become king because he was older, and still technically in the royal family (by adoption).

Issue, back then adopted kids (although viewed as part of the family) would be put in second if a blood line son was there, regardless of age.

TimMierz · « **Reply #40 on:** October 07, 2008, 09:26:11 PM »

Quote from: galadgawyn on October 07, 2008, 04:47:23 PM

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Mr. Gawyn, have you ever read Redemption NJ?

Probably not. What is that?

A long-since unupdated Redemption website formerly run by the very funny Steve Braun and "Big Phil" Gaudette. http://ddicerc.tripod.com/id20.htm is the "Other Newsgroup FAQ", and the last question therein is your NT-Transfiguration position.

NOTE: Anything on that site from me should be disregarded. I was young and foolish then. (I'm old and foolish now.)

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #41 on:** October 07, 2008, 09:28:45 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on October 07, 2008, 05:06:33 PM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 07, 2008, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on October 01, 2008, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 01, 2008, 04:00:37 PM
I am fairly sure that scholars could more or less deduce that should Moses have stayed in Egypt and the killer of the slave driver never occured, he would have been Pharoah.
Cept he was second in line to become pharoah :-p so the first one would of had to died, and not had a son by then.

No, even if that Pharoah had a son, Moses would have become king because he was older, and still technically in the royal family (by adoption).
Issue, back then adopted kids (although viewed as part of the family) would be put in second if a blood line son was there, regardless of age.

Incorrect, especially since the adopted son would have been "in the family" first (more than likely at least, due to the age). I could be wrong, but my study of Egyptian heritage and royalty has led me to this conclusion. Pharoah's oldest daughter's child - adopted or not - would have been first in line for the throne if he was older and "in the family" before any of Pharoah's own sons.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #42 on:** October 26, 2008, 05:54:59 PM »

Is there any official ruling on this?

lightningninja · « **Reply #43 on:** October 26, 2008, 08:42:49 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on October 07, 2008, 05:06:33 PM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 07, 2008, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on October 01, 2008, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: Chronic Apathy on October 01, 2008, 04:00:37 PM
I am fairly sure that scholars could more or less deduce that should Moses have stayed in Egypt and the killer of the slave driver never occured, he would have been Pharoah.
Cept he was second in line to become pharoah :-p so the first one would of had to died, and not had a son by then.

No, even if that Pharoah had a son, Moses would have become king because he was older, and still technically in the royal family (by adoption).
Issue, back then adopted kids (although viewed as part of the family) would be put in second if a blood line son was there, regardless of age.

Escept she never told anybody, did she? Wans't he considered brother, at least by his adopted brother?

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Author Topic: Prince Moses? (Read 11166 times)

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