Author Topic: Prince Moses? (Read 11167 times)

Arch Angel · « **on:** September 29, 2008, 10:47:07 AM »

Ok, so I waswondering if I can manipulate things to make Moses be considered royalty. A prince, to be exact.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%202:10;&version=31;
"[Moses' Mother] took him to Pharaoh's daughter and he became her son."

Following this, that Moses was adopted by the Pharaoh's daughter, that Moses should, in turn, be considered royalty?

New Raven BR · « **Reply #1 on:** September 29, 2008, 02:21:10 PM »

i guess so

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2008, 02:47:39 PM »

Certainly seems that way. I forgot all about that.

sk · « **Reply #3 on:** September 29, 2008, 03:44:55 PM »

Yeah, that seems fair. I'm fairly certain that the grandson of Pharaoh would be considered royalty.

Master KChief · « **Reply #4 on:** September 29, 2008, 05:29:09 PM »

wow, moses was alot of things...if he was nt, angel, and female as well, by golly, he'd be the best redemption hero evar.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #5 on:** September 29, 2008, 05:34:57 PM »

yeah I was about to say, why dont we just give moses the identifier "Everything related to heroes"

SirNobody · « **Reply #6 on:** September 29, 2008, 05:55:40 PM »

Hey,

Moses does not have royal blood. So if cactus decides to define royalty based on blood relations then no Moses would not qualify. On the other hand if cactus decides to define royalty based on their position in society, he would qualify as royalty. I believe cactus has been pretty tight with what constitutes royalty in the past, which suggests to me that the royal blood requirement is the more likely choice of cactus.

It can easily be justified either way so it really just depends on what cactus decides.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #7 on:** September 29, 2008, 08:23:51 PM »

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To be from a ‘Royal Family’, they must be from a ‘Family’ and that the family must be ‘Royal’. A strict use of the word ‘family’ includes physical parents, spouses, children, and grandchildren. In other words, people who would be considered royalty if related to a King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, or Pharaoh.

From the REG, Looks like it has to be biological.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2008, 10:30:51 PM »

The problem here is that if Moses is royalty, he would also need to be--by definition--an Eyptian. If Moses is an Egyptian then ~~Miriam~~ Jochabed--his own mother--would ignore him all the time. Do you really want to be responsible for that kind of family strife just to win a card game?

I didn't think so.

Gabe · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2008, 10:54:24 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on September 29, 2008, 10:30:51 PM

The problem here is that if Moses is royalty, he would also need to be--by definition--an Eyptian. If Moses is an Egyptian then Miriam would ignore him all the time. Do you really want to be responsible for that kind of family strife just to win a card game?

I didn't think so.

So true.

It's very nice to see you on the boards again, MJB.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2008, 11:06:36 PM »

Jesus talked about turning brother against brother, husband against wife, etc... Do you really want to argue against Jesus?

Besides Miriam doesn't ignore Egyptians; Jochebed does. Miriam ignores gold brigade. From the Reg for Miriam:

"Hero ignores gold brigade." C deck version "Hero ignores gold brigade evil characters." G deck version

Which brings up the question can a hero ignore another hero? What happens if they do? There might be some interesting combos if you have gold heroes banding in Miriam.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2008, 01:40:37 AM »

I think he meant jechobed (sp?)

sk · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2008, 01:46:45 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on September 29, 2008, 10:30:51 PM

The problem here is that if Moses is royalty, he would also need to be--by definition--an Eyptian. If Moses is an Egyptian then Miriam would ignore him all the time. Do you really want to be responsible for that kind of family strife just to win a card game?

I didn't think so.

But wouldn't Moses negate her ability (assuming you're not karazy enough to use the SA-less one)?

By the way... Prince of Egypt, anyone?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2008, 01:51:41 AM »

Yes assuming you don't use moses' awesome form, I mean... S.a.less.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2008, 02:53:47 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 29, 2008, 08:23:51 PM

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To be from a ‘Royal Family’, they must be from a ‘Family’ and that the family must be ‘Royal’. A strict use of the word ‘family’ includes physical parents, spouses, children, and grandchildren. In other words, people who would be considered royalty if related to a King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, or Pharaoh.
From the REG, Looks like it has to be biological.

It says nothing about having to be biologically related, just related. So tell me, if my parents were simply my adoptive parents, they're still my parents, yes? I still become heir to whatever they have. Our faith works much in the same way, we're considered part of the family of Abraham, and heirs in the covenant made with Abraham, through our faith in messiah.

Why should Moses' relations be any different?

And I don't really think he would be Egyptian, because aren't identifiers such as that determined by the person's physical blood line? For example, an African-American child adopted by a Caucasian family would still be an African-American.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #15 on:** September 30, 2008, 05:46:22 AM »

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physical parents

I assumed physical would be biological. AHHH *pokes your political correctness* ahem sorry. pet peeve.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #16 on:** September 30, 2008, 05:55:09 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 30, 2008, 05:46:22 AM

AHHH *pokes your political correctness* ahem sorry. pet peeve.

rofl. Yeah, I don't personally like all the terms we give things so that no one will be offended, but at the same time I recognize that racism has been an issue in the past, and still is an issue today. So there are people who take offense at certain terms, and for very understandable reasons in some cases.

So like Paul said "I will do no thing to make my brother stumble" [/MASSIVE paraphrasing *brick'd*]

But yea, as to the point at hand; if someone is adopted into a family, they become an equal part of that family.
-wants to convert and abuse moses, very very badly.-

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 30, 2008, 08:47:42 AM »

Quote from: galadgawyn on September 29, 2008, 11:06:36 PM

Besides Miriam doesn't ignore Egyptians; Jochebed does.

Fixed in the original. Thanx.

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Which brings up the question can a hero ignore another hero?

Shrug. I asked this earlier in another thread about Miriam's ability, and no one answered.

The Schaef · « **Reply #18 on:** September 30, 2008, 09:19:21 AM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on September 29, 2008, 10:30:51 PM

If Moses is an Egyptian then ~~Miriam~~ Jochabed--his own mother--would ignore him all the time. Do you really want to be responsible for that kind of family strife just to win a card game?

Well, we are talking about a woman who stuck her baby in a basket and chucked him in the river. Talk about ignoring your kid. You do that kind of thing today and you get Children's Services called on you and they ask all these questions and the word neglect floats around and it's just such a big hassle.

golgotha · « **Reply #19 on:** September 30, 2008, 02:36:54 PM »

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To be from a ‘Royal Family’, they must be from a ‘Family’ and that the family must be ‘Royal’. A strict use of the word ‘family’ includes physical parents, spouses, children, and grandchildren. In other words, people who would be considered royalty if related to a King, Queen, Prince, Princess, Emperor, or Pharaoh.

Something else to consider, maybe more along the lines of a random thought, if Moses is royality, would that also make Aaron, Miriam, Jochabed royal as well for being related to him? Kinda doesn't make much sense for them to be royal...Guess the question probably has been asked about David vs King David...if he was royality before he became King...I could see a fantasy card or maybe this idea appearing in a future expansion, "Prince Moses" but for general ruling, I'd have to say no, Moses isn't royality. He may have been adopted into pharoh's family, but as for as doing anything politically with his position, he didn't do a lot...except for that whole killing an egyptian thingy...I could be wrong on this. I probably am.

SirNobody · « **Reply #20 on:** September 30, 2008, 02:53:10 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: Archangel withabunchofnumbersontheend on September 30, 2008, 05:55:09 AM

But yea, as to the point at hand; if someone is adopted into a family, they become an equal part of that family.

Sadly that is not always the case.

If you have to have egyptian blood to be egyptian, why wouldn't you have to have royal blood to be royal?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne

Gabe · « **Reply #21 on:** September 30, 2008, 03:19:53 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on September 30, 2008, 02:53:10 PM

If you have to have egyptian blood to be egyptian, why wouldn't you have to have royal blood to be royal?

I see the logic in that statement. We obviously have to draw the line somewhere. Maybe bloodline should be the place to draw that line.

Esther, Bathsheba (and others) didn't have royal blood, but they're listed as royalty in the REG. They became royalty, in this example, through marriage. Using that logic a person could also become royal family through adoption. Both are legally binding contracts to tie a person to a family in our society.

TimMierz · « **Reply #22 on:** September 30, 2008, 03:29:18 PM »

Doesn't your blood turn blue once you marry a king?

SirNobody · « **Reply #23 on:** September 30, 2008, 03:41:24 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: BrianGabe on September 30, 2008, 03:19:53 PM

Esther, Bathsheba (and others) didn't have royal blood, but they're listed as royalty in the REG.

They may not have had royal blood "passed down" to them from their parents. But they did pass royal blood down to thier kids. So they did have royal blood in my eyes.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #24 on:** September 30, 2008, 04:39:35 PM »

Your eyes are weird and seem to be making strange leaps of logic.

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Author Topic: Prince Moses? (Read 11167 times)

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